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Seriy 22.11.2009 21:23

Technique of oil painting and preservation of paintings
 

Pavel 23.11.2009 12:30


Кирилл Сызранский 23.11.2009 13:39


Pavel 23.11.2009 14:16

The worst thing that spontaneous painting thrives still, even in high schools to not pay attention.

Seriy 23.11.2009 16:12


олег назаров 23.11.2009 20:09


Кирилл Сызранский 23.11.2009 20:30

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Сообщение от Oleg Nazarov (Сообщение 730442)
But can a little more and then I somehow did not vkurse.

Well, what more? The black paintings, look-you understand that, for example, demon or Pan, but you see not what is used to seeing on reproductions.
I am in the hall Vrubel just now do not go. That's a spectacle, requiring the mobilization of some, and here and this ...

олег назаров 23.11.2009 20:41

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 730492)
Well, what more? The black paintings, look-you understand that, for example, demon or Pan, but you see not what is used to seeing on reproductions.
I am in the hall Vrubel just now do not go. That's a spectacle, requiring the mobilization of some, and here and it ...

Fu scared! dark is not so bad a thing reparable ... I say to you as an artist, art restorer in the past ... much worse when things "perechischeny 'or' washed synthetics" like the Louvre for example, is where to look to really hurt .... there was still fashionable to duplicate on the resin-wax paste on the vacuum table, too, a lot of things horror spoiled - they are now as plywood ...

Pavel 23.11.2009 21:21

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Сообщение от Oleg Nazarov (Сообщение 730572)
fu scared! dark is not so bad a thing reparable ... I say to you as an artist, art restorer in the past ... much worse when things "perechischeny 'or' washed synthetics" like the Louvre for example, is where to look to really hurt .... there was still fashionable to duplicate on the resin-wax paste on the vacuum table, too, a lot of things horror spoiled - they are now as plywood ...

It does not matter what and how to restore, but in the Impressionists introduced to the technologically painting. This is confirmed by the state of their work. Of course under normal storage.
Van Gogh, I gave an example because his painting is superimposed with a thick layer and around should look dark, but not black. The work of academicians have long turned black. Vrubel artist compared in us from the Van Gogh and his methods of realization until supported, or rather the lack of methods. To seal the work to rewrite the paper, this anecdote is transmitted as an example worthy of emulation, as well as rewriting posyromu directly on the wall.
In Ostroumova-Lebedeva, which has successfully studied with Whistler described the basic principles of this technique. But the most amazing that after 5 PET studies in the academy at Repin told her that she can not do anything and it's true.

Кирилл Сызранский 23.11.2009 21:23


олег назаров 23.11.2009 23:32

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 730682)
The Impressionists introduced to the art technologically.

:D
What do you mean sorry??
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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 730682)
painting is superimposed with a thick layer

too bad turnover !!!<!--~ ~--><!--~ 7 7 ~ ->
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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 730682)
Vrubel artist compared in us from the Van Gogh

here I'm losing my mind !!!!:D:D:D

Oil-based paint by itself does not get dark ... mostly to get dark varnish, Vrubel strongly "lachili" ... so it darkens the surface paint on the impasto painting easily thinned problem ... they will have only those places where the blue pigments are added to the soot Gas - the pigment bladaet spobnostyu migration ie over the years, emerges through the other layers already irreparably ...

Кирилл Сызранский 24.11.2009 00:22

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Сообщение от Oleg Nazarov (Сообщение 731192)
most often darken paint, Vrubel strongly "lachili" so it gets dark

No, there is another reason.
Vrubel experimented, he used to add Brocato to its oily paint to give them a shiny effect. Bronze was the dark, and the picture lost its original color.

Seriy 24.11.2009 07:18

by litdannym, paint change color and darken bleached, and become transparent, like all colorful layer because of this show through the previously recorded location. Not to mention the fact that not all pigments are generally light-fast by themselves or in mixtures. Previously, though printed, that which can not be mixed. Now the producers do not write the pigment (chemical) composition - all became clear. Soot gas most established manufacturer in Russia, Nevsky palette - is srednestoykoy. I also heard about its migration, but he never saw in his work for more than 30 years.
A Future of pigments is unclear. In Europe, began to prohibit all pigments with heavy metals, lead, cadmium, mercury, molybdenum .. And replaces them with synthetics. GAMMA, a manufacturer hudmasla in Moscow now and wrote on the tube - Cadmium Yellow (imitation), r e is no longer cadmium. What they have light resistance and shelf life, how and with what they are combined - do not clear.
So that future developments of the classical an oil painting under threat, it is likely it could end its existence.

Pavel 24.11.2009 12:47

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Сообщение от Oleg Nazarov (Сообщение 732)
:D
What do you mean sorry??
 too bad turnover !!!<!--~ ~--><!--~ 7 7 ~ ->
 here I'm losing my mind !!!!:D:D:D

Oil-based paint by itself does not get dark ... mostly to get dark varnish, Vrubel strongly "lachili" ... so it darkens the surface paint on the impasto painting easily thinned problem ... they will have only those places where the blue pigments are added to the soot Gas - the pigment bladaet spobnostyu migration ie over the years, emerges through the other layers already irreparably ...

He considered that you are familiar with the technology of painting. Painting dark:
when it is not dried out the lower layer.
just in time splits oil
Vrubel wrote directly on the wet, sealed it with a newspaper, etc.
Van Gogh knew the technology and therefore tried to write quickly, which coincides with his temperament. Finish and changed too on the wet paint. Selection of colors in his match problem.
Pictures Vrubel not lacquered.

Сима 26.11.2009 18:37

It would be nice if someone would have the altruistic theme created by technology and shared to their knowledge. There was a discussion and would be interesting. Recent posts read with great enthusiasm. Thank you all.

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Cyril Syzranskiy, I too fall into a terrible confusion and concern in the hall Vrubel in STG. But the thought that it was from a failed architecture of the hall, hanging and lighting. I think it was a mistake to put the easel paintings in the same room with "Dreams", though for the enclosure. (I'm not a fan of "Dreams). Arts (monumental and easel) are contradictory, it seems that the decorative amorphous" Dreams "are not possessing its own vitality, and is used for decoration of architecture, a modernist and speculative, claims not to get her stamina in easel paintings. From this, they have some kind of lame and insignificant. I think so. And it turns out, they just turned black?


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