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artcol 12.11.2009 18:12

Cooperation with foreign galleries
 
Since the forum appeared foreign gallery owners, want to raise the topic of cooperation with foreign galleries and exhibitions abroad. This question is not idle, especially for young, talented and in general all the "undeserved" artists:)
I have 2 main sub-themes in the form of questions:
1) how to guarantee the fulfillment of obligations by the parties (especially those which are transmitted mat.tsennosti) - primarily interested in their experience, and his views on this issue?
2), and how best to build bridges between potential partners will?

On my own I would say that of course everyone wants to take on implementation, to organize an exhibition, but other than selling at a deep discount any options for cooperation has proved elusive:)

Veronic 12.11.2009 19:58

We work mainly with Western galleries, and with Moscow, too.
Guarantees provide contract and permanent personal presence;) Sometimes, and without the personal presence, too, get to work ....

artcol 12.11.2009 22:47

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Сообщение от Veronic (Сообщение 698782)
works mainly with Western galleries, and with Moscow, too.
Guarantees provide contract and permanent personal presence;) Sometimes, and without the personal presence, too, turns out to work ....

It turns out - that is a sale and thus there is no delay in payments? This is good - God forbid, and more!
But how to guarantee the contract - I can not guess! Do not be the same because of several works litigation costs in case of violation? Not go the same in the U.S., but in general the whole procedure of registering international treaties in the CCI is tuned for large volumes of industrial goods. Although Ukraine mb or so?

K-Maler 12.11.2009 22:57

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Сообщение от Veronic (Сообщение 698782)
works mainly with Western galleries,

Because of problems with counterfeit problem appeared Provenance. Not only the pictures of the past, which is natural, but also paintings by contemporary hudlzhnikov. And it is not yet known what form should be expressed. Understandable interests of buyers: they want to have on hand a document which somehow protects the object from further suspicions and questions. Moreover, the document they want, as it turned out, with a seal, "" certified "at least somebody. I understand that should count as a history painting and the history of sales. As the author can not be assured by a notary or even once nor its authorship or ownership of their works, nor the right to dispose of them at its discretion. This is spelled out in the Copyright Act. But the problem arose. I think that is enough if the author himself wrote provenance of its paintings, ie exhibitions and inclusion in catalogs, publications, etc. Pictures and representation in the Internet, may be something else. But gallery owner, or someone who takes them to the auction may already notarize that was precisely this list personally from the author. And this ksiva already can be transferred and further supplemented by further history. I mean, that provenance is required from a living author and should think of something ...

Seriy 12.11.2009 23:01

Why invent when there is a certificate of authenticity?
Many artists give out to the buyer. Somewhere in the online photo shemyakinskogo-much has been written.

K-Maler 12.11.2009 23:30

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 699332)
what to think when there is a certificate of authenticity?
Many artists give out to the buyer. Somewhere in the online photo shemyakinskogo-much has been written.

"Copyright in works of science, literature and art arises by virtue of its creation. The origin and exercise of copyright shall not require registration of the work, a special design work or compliance with any formality." This is a quotation from the RF Law obavtorskom Law, Article 9, Clause 1. You see, no one can "notary" to assure the authorship, as any notary public sees the author and his work is the first time. He can only assure the mere existence of a work "in an objective form on a given date", but not SPONSORSHIP!.

Seriy 12.11.2009 23:47

That's right! And the certificate reads as follows-I, an artist Seriy, wrote that the painting "Apples in the snow", the size 250h390, beautiful.

Date, number, signature.


Sometimes there, about the fact that it does not copy or use someone else's copyright material, too, sometimes write.
Bought a beautiful individual form, it is possible with all degrees of protection. Here are the buyer and joyfully. You can make photo, fingerprints, samples of saliva.

Seriy 12.11.2009 23:51

No notary. Although the notary can assure the signature.
T e a notary stamp and text - signature Ivan Gray-Dmuhanovskogo certified in his presence.

artcol 12.11.2009 23:53

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 699332)
what to think when there is a certificate of authenticity?
Many artists give out to the buyer. Somewhere in the online photo shemyakinskogo-much has been written.

In general, as written tov.Sery:) - is now common practice of issuing certificate of authenticity. I am such a person to issue from a public organization - Cultural Public Foundation. With seal.
The legal obligation to do so no instances, because really
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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 699332)
any notary public sees the author and his work for the first time

, and the issue is solved on trust: ekpertu, a relative, a special organization. It's simple.

All the same, let's go back to the topic of fasting. Right now I sit and read a letter in it the question: how, say, can agree that you send your pictures, I held an exhibition, it did not sell - would be sent back to you, but for the sold you would receive the money. Let us not raise the issue on the subject of the letter (this mb anyone else), just a question that bewilders. Really - how?

K-Maler 13.11.2009 00:09

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 699572)
Really - how?

 
  It seems it does not do. In St. Petersburg, somehow having such projects! But: insurance papers (stolen, tsunamis, etc.)? Packaging, who and how will forward? Removal? Who and what makes out?. The easiest way to invite the author of the works that many did. It may be a courier? Payment of money? A large force majeure? Something happened with the gallery owners or gallery? Where is the picture of who should get them back?

Кирилл Сызранский 13.11.2009 00:16

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 699672)
It looks like it does not do.

Are you vain. Every effort is made. No question. Rather, the question is one-it's interesting how financially.
Serious interest-no questions. I can paint the technology's potential relationship to the example trail Samara, St. Petersburg, or vice versa, St. Petersburg, Samara, that for the money more interesting, of course.
But I think that in a live broadcast that still do not. " This is my experience and I got it is not easy.
But please believe, all these technical issues, and they re-sha-e-us.

artcol 13.11.2009 00:24

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 699672)
It looks like it does not do. In St. Petersburg, somehow having such projects! But: insurance papers (stolen, tsunamis, etc.)? Packaging, who and how will forward? Removal? Who and what makes out?. The easiest way to invite the author of the works that many did. It may be a courier? Payment of money? A large force majeure? Something happened with the gallery owners or gallery? Where is the picture of who should get them back?

The main question - is the fulfillment of its obligations by the parties (mainly the host country). As I said, there is a "normal" way to design a contract to CCI (CCI): prepare a passport transactions you make to the roster of organizations, leading foreign-economic activities, customs and so on. All this is of course terrible bureaucracy, but then you have legitimate grounds for turning to international arbitration. However, roll out all this - for the sake of 10-20 pictures is absurd, since, for example, the specificity of art-business and bankruptcy laws. As I understand it, the most common option - it is personal recommendations and contacts through participation in international exhibitions (expensive) or "Crossing Europe".

It is a pity that few want to discuss this topic

Konstantin 13.11.2009 00:33

Probably not all threatened to go abroad. So few want to discuss.
Yesterday I was approached by an Italian artist with the question of how to organize an exhibition in Russia. I'm still in the thinking on this topic. One of the items in questions were: - Is it possible to organize an invitation to the exhibition of kokogo a state. body (eg municipality) and then his local Italian municipality compensates for part of the cost.
Here is another topic for reflection. Our authorities compensate anything, his own, to move abroad?

artcol 13.11.2009 00:37

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 699692)
Can paint the technology's potential relationship to the example of the route Samara, St. Petersburg, or vice versa, St. Petersburg, Samara

In Russia - no questions. Came, talked, he decided. Question of international contacts. Not naezdieshsya, except that only in Europe. There came to us from afar - the U.S., South Korea, Switzerland. Someone special, someone passing through. From Korea, a delegation of local counterpart to CX-ve count 5 people arrived:) Yes, of course, all people are nice, but besides talk-it has not shifted.
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 699692)
This is my experience and he got me not just

This is a very valuable note. In fact, even the interesting statistics on media such experience. As I understand it, Veronica is working with Western galleries, contacting in person, and it comes to their own work units.

Кирилл Сызранский 13.11.2009 00:42

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 699742)
Do not naezdieshsya, except that only in Europe.

Will the meaning-fly!
And do not fly much. Return to Paris, as I in Moscow and back twice by train.


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