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iosif 22.10.2009 22:56

Order: stimulus to creativity or careless?
 
I have previously said that the contract with the artists with whom I work, written as follows (within the meaning): producer, not only does not dictate the topic artist or technique, but even gives advice only when the artist asked to do.
However, since I am with the advertiser on-o-ry great experience, then I have customers, a brand which can be visualized and talent of our artists.
As Igor did not object to the experiment (more precisely, once he had proposed it), we tried.
Fun, they also under his hands, even a humble Poselkovaya electric substation (a potential customer - energy)
looks indecently beautiful. In short, I have a vague assumption that the "clash" artistic talent, even with such a purely commercial orders - it's fun and can give not only a commercial result. We will try - with the consent of Igor - yet.
But I would be interested in what people think about this forum users.

gans 23.10.2009 00:12

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 656366)
Order: impetus to creativity or careless?

In the history of art is a lot of great "orders", for example, virtually all religious art.
The only condition is that the artist should be able to apply their talents to a given topic. Here we must look at the person, there are artists who custom make an order of magnitude weaker than his talent, not from failure but from the corresponding internal device.

A quickie, that in my human quality that manifests itself regardless of the order.

Людмила Иларт 23.10.2009 00:32

If an artist is talented, then the order - this is a good thing, because the customer has probably already familiar with the works of this artist, because the piper calls. But if the artist had Gorge forward in search of new forms, it is still subject to the customer - an intelligent man - he likes it. And if not, no one gets hurt, because the artist has worked with pleasure, and the customer has kept his money.

AlexanderG 23.10.2009 03:39

Zakaz (commission) eto vsegda zamechatel'no. Vo mnogih sluchaiiah eto oznachaet, chto hudoznik doros do urovnia vostrebovannosti pri zizni.

Кирилл Сызранский 23.10.2009 07:01

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 656366)
Order: impetus to creativity or careless?

I personally am good to order.
And many artists who know exactly positive attitude to the very idea of order. And indeed for many is the "impetus to creativity."
For example, what is bad when an artist who paints landscapes in Samara, treat people with photographs of houses in which they grew up, but who do not already have been demolished, in their place built modern houses, and the way the artist and the artist himself and his name is already known, many favorites.
Real cases like know. He sees people on the streets of his native landscape exhibition and commissions the artist has that part of it, where he lived. An artist and a pleasure-saw, like the painting, she touched the man (albeit nostalgic), I wanted someone to have a home earn PR customers with all-to all his friends will, praise is deserved, will tell the story of the order, once again respectfully pronounce the name of the master -what's wrong with this order?

iosif 23.10.2009 09:39

I, in general, too, it seems that order - an incentive. And lazy people it may even proaktivirovat. Not even lazy, but afraid to start a new job. "Fear of a blank slate."
I'll usually write a book about two years (where I write something quickly, going for a long time), and given an advance for two books - both written for the year - not to give the same money back:)
True, there is another side to advance. Business (not in the works) I know that people are not very willing to work when the money already received. And here - wait for hack-work.

Кирилл Сызранский 23.10.2009 09:54

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 656836)
business (not in the works) I know that people are not very willing to work when the money already received. And here - wait for hack-work.

Reservations and advance payment is less than 50%-that option: the stimulus and shows the seriousness of intent.
I know that some ordered now and then disappear. The artist also need to have some assurance that the order is not just TREPOV a snack. : D

L-ana64110 23.10.2009 10:00

I do not like orders
 
Most Suomeksi in this case, when the customer is very rich and considers himself a connoisseur of all things. They promise a lot, such normally come to the studio in the morning and evening to control the process. consider it necessary to give advice, then it is very difficult to part with money, usually in installments. In other words have something to go into depresnyak timid soul, and easier to treat the work is not obtained. Take care of the soul from the trash!-Expensive artists.

iosif 23.10.2009 10:39

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 656856)
The order and advance payment is less than 50%-that option: the stimulus and shows the seriousness of intent.
I know that some ordered now and then disappear. The artist also need to have some assurance that the order is not just TREPOV a snack. : D

Absolutely agree. Even we in the advertising contract for all work with the elements of creativity (which blurred quality criteria), two-part

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L-ana64110,
fully agree with you about what to take care of the soul from the rubbish. With one clarification - this is true for all people, not just for artists:)
And as for your customers - can you still just have not met their collector?

Людмила Иларт 23.10.2009 14:25

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Сообщение от L-ana64110 (Сообщение 656866)
The Suomeksi in this case, when the customer is very rich and considers himself a connoisseur of all things. They promise a lot, such normally come to the studio in the morning and evening to control the process. consider it necessary to give advice, then it is very difficult to part with money, usually in installments. In other words have something to go into depresnyak timid soul, and easier to treat the work is not obtained. Take care of the soul from the trash!-Expensive artists.

Yes, it's just smart aleck, but not the customer. For communication add value. And it you Relaxing, but you suffer.

AlexanderG 23.10.2009 15:17

In other words have something to go into depresnyak timid soul, and easier to treat the work is not obtained.

Vot zdes 'i vyhodit na stsenu agent, galerist, predstavitel', on obychno i zanimaetsia delovoi storonoi voprosa.

OTROK NIKODIM 23.10.2009 15:48

iosif,
Admission order to the artist really speaks of a certain demand for this author. Regarding the perception of the order, as the stimulation of creativity - it also happens. Much depends on the customer. If the customer is a cultured man, who, moreover, able to engage in dialogue with the artist, it might even serve as a disclosure of artistic patentsiala, both the author and the idea itself. Relevant and interesting order should be well paid. Artist must be able to peruse the accompanying material, to plunge into the characteristics and details of the order. The form and limits of cooperation of the customer and the performer must be strictly regulated by the preliminary contract, excluding the possibility of misunderstanding and mutual distrust. Cultural, educated and correct customer at some stage of the work can even join in collaboration with the artist. But back to what was said earlier, all this makes sense only if there is consistency and harmony of the customer, ideas, and the artist.

AlexanderG 23.10.2009 16:01

Pri poluchenii zakaza, vsegda luchshe imet ', daze korotkii, dogovor. Sroki, razmery, den'gi, avans i prochie detali. Eto pomogaet obeim storonam byt 'bolee organizovannymi.

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My, kstai, utverzdaem eskiz, i beriom den'gi za nego. Utverzdionnyi eskis eto oche 'vazno v sluchae sporov. Zastav'te zakazchika podpisat 'eskiz.

L-ana64110 23.10.2009 17:09

No matter how well the customer was still there are certain restrictions and conventions that makes napryazhonnoy, a sense of freedom of self-realization is lost, once again the responsibility ... As to the hack-work-I think a pro even if you want to hack can not do the hand-set and a precise eye, etc., etc.

Семен Семенович 23.10.2009 17:12

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 656366)
Order: impetus to creativity or careless?

I think that in itself order a necessary and even if you want mandatory for the artist. In order to lay out on all 100%, not to drop his face and that the customer was satisfied. I see the order is not a job - as you please, but as confidence zakzchika creativity of this particular artist. Therefore, the order - for a true artist - a movement upward, to the comprehension of new heights, and hence to the creation (of course, subject to its artistic principles). Although, of course, the order can be viewed as a hack, but only from a financial point of view, but not with the art. :) It certainly is the artist ...

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Again, the responsibility ...

It's good ... "Flights in dream and reality ..." - different in its essence ...


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