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allexx 14.10.2009 00:22

This is a copy of the work of the artist?
 
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Colleagues,

Do not prompt, a copy of a well-known work? Signature of the original author - F. .. chauss or something like that, the first letter of surname not remember to also copy the signature. Thank you!

наследник 14.10.2009 00:26

Portrait of the good, the frame is great, the question is incomprehensible.

allexx 14.10.2009 10:40

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Let me explain: this portrait I have not once or twice seen on reproductions and albums. This is one of the famous artists. In the Internet sale this portrait, clear copy. I remember the name of the original author.

allexx 14.10.2009 23:06

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I apologize for muddled start, but what were the reasons:) Let me explain:

One trader sells the work that I zapostil, which, as noted above, a colleague, a good portrait and a beautiful frame.

The first time he saw the photo, I thought it was a reproduction of the world-famous artist. Why: in the distant 45-m tank at my grandfather brought back from Germany so this album and it has a lot that's such reproductions made by doctor blade deep print, as I understand, this is an intermediate between the engravings, lithographs, etc. and offset printing. The album, entitled "work of recognized masters of painting - reproductions of Correggio, Rembrandt, etc., there is the appointed portrait of girls:

allexx 14.10.2009 23:25

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Here are some reproductions of the album - Rembrandt, Correggio and the mysterious author of Portrait of a Girl

allexx 14.10.2009 23:34

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Is clear that the publication of early 20 century if only someone close to Rembrandt and Correggio not be published. That's why I decided that the portrait painted by someone from the old masters, well, or at least famous 19 th century, which means selling the work - just a copy. Scratch as follows mat, found, or rather, make out the name of the author: Ferdinand Shauss (Shuss?): Ferdinand Schauss, a student and later professor at the Weimar-Saxon art school, life years 1832-1916. Поэтому один вопрос, а именно - кто автор оригинала - снят с повестки дня. Остается второй вопрос: что есть продаваемый портрет - копия или оригинал, на репродукцию которого я смотрю с пеленок, также как и на урок анатомии доктора Тульпа? :) As they say, find the 10 differences (on the left - to sell the portrait to the right - a reproduction of the original):

allexx 14.10.2009 23:43

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More - more. The archives contain the artpraysa an unsuccessful sale at auction in 2000. The work is called (sic!) "Gretel". Size is similar to the SELL (22 cm by 18 cm), but indicated that the oil on wood, rather than x /m, as a portrait in a frame above. That this work, and in the catalog of the auction, she somehow mirror, including the signature. I think it's just a mistake publisher catalog:

allexx 14.10.2009 23:48

Further, where Gretel, Hansel and there. In the records of another auction, unfortunately, no photo, find the following:

"After F Schauss - Pair of Oleographs -" Hansel "and" Gretel "- shoulder length portraits, canvases 9 25ins x 7 25ins in ebonised frames, two Baxter prints and one other print"

Note that the size of oleograph very similar to the amount sold to the portrait.

After this mini-study, I would like to understand as possible:

1) Sale portrait - a copy of the original or the author's repeated? Pictures are not very good quality - that's all I have to eat today. Judging by the photos, paint palish, facial features coarse than in my pictures and photos at an auction.
2) Is selling the portrait at all lottery products, such as oleograph?

наследник 14.10.2009 23:54

allexx, believe that the author's portrait in a frame, we do not install it. I am sure that this is a copy. And what of that? The portrait was not any the worse. Even if it has any differences with the "original" image.
We must somehow learn the age of selling the portrait, then the version about the value of think out a copy can be with good reason. :) If, of course, is oil.

 
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Сообщение от allexx (Сообщение 645946)
Is not sold a portrait of all lottery products, such as oleograph?

For the price it set and solid it an auction? Conclusions for you.

allexx 15.10.2009 00:13

:)
 
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Сообщение от heir (Сообщение 645956)
allexx, believe that the author's portrait in a frame, we do not install it. And what of that? He did not any the worse.
We must somehow learn the age of selling the portrait.
For the price it brought, and whether it is a solid auction?

Auction - no e-Bay, of course, but not Christie not very solid, but they sometimes come across interesting things. I would say that their client - the middle class, so superexpensive things do not happen. For now asking a thousand dollars. In principle, the money for such original works Ferdinand Shausse similar size and sold. The same "mirror" the work on the board, for example, exhibited for 1500-2000 dollars.

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Сообщение от heir (Сообщение 645956)
allexx, I am sure that this is a copy.

You, too, it seems that a copy? Why? For example, I see some "fading" in comparison with the reproduction of the original, although technically the work is very close, and both models are "live", almost indistinguishable. That such a paradox.

PS do not want to buy a copy.

allexx 15.10.2009 00:29

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Sold at my request made a few more pictures (can not do high-quality photos, and more seller:), and reported that he bought the work from an American lady a few decades ago, and she, in turn, acquired earlier (the exact date is not said) in Switzerland.

наследник 15.10.2009 00:30

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Сообщение от allexx (Сообщение 646006)
Do you also think that the copy? Why?

Firstly, the apparent differences. And not only in detadyah, but also in the level of skill.

Secondly, the thing is very sweet, soulful. So, to be sold well, many would want to buy.
  That means we need to make copies. With a good hand can make quite a lot - on canvas, wood, various sizes. The author himself, I think, would not have to do it, meaning that it is still a portrait and, most likely, a particular girl.
  But some "business" the artists completely. Countless numbers of such examples.
It is important here - when the copy was made, but the fact that she is quite good, as far as can be seen clearly.
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Сообщение от allexx (Сообщение 646056)
Sold at my request made a few more photos

  Heavens! Yes, she is also a signature! Maybe a year somewhere in there?

allexx 15.10.2009 00:35

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Сообщение от heir (Сообщение 646066)
It is important here - when the copy was made, but the fact that she is quite good, as far as can be seen clearly.
Heavens! Yes, she is also a signature! Maybe a year somewhere in there?

But the author's signature, Schausse, in my reproduction is the same. Why copyist sign a spoof?

SVGAllery 15.10.2009 00:46

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Сообщение от allexx (Сообщение 646086)
Why copyist sign a spoof?

To give him a copy of the original

наследник 15.10.2009 00:52

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Сообщение от SVGAllery (Сообщение 646106)
To give him a copy of the original

Such a thing is not very difficult to repeat, but the copy will, of course, cheaper. Hence the theme and copy the signature .. After all, the true author still got a trophy in the album ... themselves were surprised - what names!
(A sellers ... their "Provenance" special trust do not advise)


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