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operator 02.10.2009 11:51

Prices AP Archipenko
 
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Dear forum users! Help to understand please!
From Ukraine offers two sculptures Archipenko AP - If someone knows something about "the founder of Cubism" lay out ..

More about him now that he has found: http://nwor.narod.ru/x_arxipenko.htm
 
Appendix photo of two works (and an Egyptian lady combing her hair) and their accompanying documents.

Tell me please, who faced with expertise from the Ukraine, the most important thing as far as it is reliable and yet, why such "exorbitant" prices for these estimators Kiev?))

Egiptian_Appraisal2.jpg - estimated cost - 153 thousand dollars. A LadyApprisal2.jpg - azh 246 thousand! Why so expensive?

Because of the sculpture of the author on price indices ARTinvestment.RU prices seem to be less cost!?
http://artinvestment.ru/auctions/1284/works.html?wc=5

operator 02.10.2009 11:55

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Here are photos of a second sculpture - "Lady combing her hair"

02.10.2009 13:28

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Сообщение от operator (Сообщение 628316)
Tell me please, who faced with expertise from the Ukraine, the most important thing as far as it is reliable and yet, why such "exorbitant" prices for these Kiev appraisers??

I understand that you are not the seller.
Since provide expert advice you can safely go to the auction the highest ranga.Tsena, if overstated, it is not much - money getting cheaper by the day, and make an assessment examination every half a year - not a cheap. Note the need to have something that the Ukrainian antiques market have no inflow from the outside because of the high poshlin.Eto also built into the price if the product is in Ukraine.Kupit outside Ukraine and to institute cost 2,5 tseny.Pokupayte Compared with the cost of City center, near Kiev - a ridiculous price.:)

qwerty 02.10.2009 13:55

operator, you suggested prices are valid only on the lifetime of casting Archipenko, in this case, the work must be accompanied by no expertise Ukrainian (or Russian) Museum, and a set of documents to prove their provenance from the casting. In today's world there are hundreds (if not thousands) of copies of late with these sculptures, for instance, in Moscow, such copies are not hard to buy for ten thousand. And, of course, no one serious work with the proposed auction of your securities and the price of the sale not exhibited.

Konstantin 02.10.2009 14:00

operator
At the base of our great site statistics Archipenko. There is clear.
Themselves can see what I wrote qwerty

operator 02.10.2009 14:51

Thank you - I think so too!

Regarding "Provenance since casting" there in paragraph 21 "The time and place of existence" on paper "The lady combing her hair" stands up to 2007 count-tion of a Japanese or Japanese-Americans.

Please indicate a "late copies of it during the life of the author or already after 64 years?

Yaya 02.10.2009 15:02

VYACHESLAV, over 246 thousand dollars now, near Kiev can buy a lot of ares. And buy them now more profitable than this bronze

operator 02.10.2009 15:03

"At the base of our site the huge statistics of Archipenko. There is clear."

Here Here Konstantin - I'm just at that statistic and invoked when asked the question! The spread of prices in order! from 30 thousand to 300 thousands. USD!??

Even such a question! If you noticed - there for two signatures Archipenko letters R and r for different written ..? Experts say the author has two options for the signature of this letter - it is really true!?

02.10.2009 15:05

operator, these works are typical of massive unauthorized overcrowded made the type of copies of existing originals. Such low tides are produced in mass in the workshop how many of the city of Brooklyn (New York). They flooded the market of small auctions, eBay and other places. Combat this phenomenon is senseless, the more that the experts (such as in this case) only helps in error.

Almost always on the sculptures Archipenko was stated Number ebbs and what account is this sculpture (ie, 7 /12 or 11/15).

No expert in the world does not matter except for one - made by Frances Archipenko Gray, the widow of Archipenko. Expertise involved in fund - www.archipenko.org in Bearsville, USA. Examination is worth $ 1500.

Submitted your work without any history or signs of relevant nor necessary documentation are not subject to the sculptural values of the heritage of the great author. Provide expert advice once again confirm the level of knowledge workers these instances, posing as experts.

operator 02.10.2009 15:14

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Сообщение от OlegTsi (Сообщение 628786)
operator,
Submitted your work without any history or relevant signs or required documentation are not subject to the sculptural values of the heritage of the great author. Provide expert advice once again confirm the level of knowledge workers these instances, posing as experts.

Interestingly ...))) But why are there just clowns that were sitting there among the experts in Kiev? As it is hard to believe.

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Сообщение от OlegTsi (Сообщение 628786)
operator, these works are typical of massive unauthorized overcrowded made the type of copies of existing originals. Such low tides are produced in mass in the workshop how many of the city of Brooklyn (New York).

Wait a second - specify AMP-ta and what it means unauthorized CASTING:
Code they were unauthorized to 64 years (chemical and physical examination confirms the 60-70 years bronze), Vol. F you want to say that he had not watched the who and in what quantities pours his sculptures in his own workshop, or the fact that in Brooklyn who then make casts from his originals and forged his work during his lifetime!? (we do not consider gifts - modern replica of recent years)

02.10.2009 15:24

Tsitiata It is interesting ...))) But why are there just clowns that were sitting there among the experts in Kiev? As it is hard to believe.

operator, where there are people who receive remuneration for such examination. And the responsibility - zero. Self-respecting expert would not Lama fund rules Archipenko. It was this fund, because Francis all very tightly holds in his hands. And, incidentally, we must pay tribute to her, very properly does. At the expense of clowns - well, yes, it is. Just laugh ... :)

02.10.2009 15:25

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Сообщение от qwerty (Сообщение 628596)
the price offered to you are valid only in the lifetime of casting Archipenko, in this case, the work must be accompanied by no expertise Ukrainian (or Russian) Museum, and a set of documents to prove their provenance from the casting.

Well if there are documents (certificate) which indicated the original format. Let's say "1 of 8 plus 4 (AR) plus" NS " - It original.Vse rest - a priori "gadgets" do not represent an investment value and nor expertise
   not help? "But anything can happen with paper. Therefore, the sculpture is placed at the very signature of the author, year of establishment, number of molds /total number of copies, stamp molding masterskoy.Vse these data and should be included in the analysis.

02.10.2009 15:35

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Сообщение от operator (Сообщение 628806)

Wait a second - specify AMP-ta and what it means unauthorized CASTING:
Code they were unauthorized to 64 years (chemical and physical examination confirms the 60-70 years bronze), Vol. F you want to say that he had not watched the who and in what quantities pours his sculptures in his own workshop, or the fact that in Brooklyn who then make casts from his originals and forged his work during his lifetime!?

unauthorized - I'm such a gentle manner called forgery. Massive fraud, cast Brooklyn Wine Library TV.
Even when life Archipenko produced souvenir ebb at the request of prestigious museums. But this was the agreement of the author, relevant documents and identification marks. Sculptural values in them was not. Sold as souvenirs.

All the remaining lifetime of the copy (ebb) were performed in strict compliance with all rules and have this relevant paper.

With Archipenko all much easier. And almost all recorded in the archives of the Fund.

02.10.2009 15:36

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Сообщение от Yaya (Сообщение 628766)
and 246 thousand dollars now, near Kiev can buy a lot of ares. And buy them now more profitable than this bronze

I agree. Do not read the document in full (font). I was sure that in such an evaluation is an indication of the documents on tirazhu.A so get-Filkin charter.

02.10.2009 15:45

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Сообщение от operator (Сообщение 628806)
(chemical and physical examination confirms the bronze 60-70 years), Vol. F you want to say that he had not watched the who and in what quantities pours his sculptures in his own workshop or something that someone in Brooklyn then make casts from his originals and forged his work during his lifetime!? (we do not consider gifts - modern replica of recent years)

Old bronze, using the oxidizing means. (If it is bronze in general. In most cases, the metal surface is covered with a bronze).



Sculptures are produced in modern times, using it for making molds souvenir copy, bought used for 75-100 dollars.

PS. If the sculpture in your hand, it looks like the basis of the sculpture from below? Glued matter (like velvet)?


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