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Дмитрий 22.08.2009 17:50

Help attribution now
 
Вложений: 3
On the picture is known:
Oil on canvas, size: 72,5 x 32,5 cm, came from Peter, for many years is in my family. Rama genuine.
The frame has a sticker store Datsiaro on which we can conclude (the address of the shop), that the work was sold in this store since the beginning of 20 century before the Revolution of 1917.

Дмитрий 22.08.2009 17:51

Вложений: 1
Prior to the restoration of the picture was horrible deformity of the canvas, which managed to straighten out.

Дмитрий 22.08.2009 17:52

Вложений: 2
The technical and technological expertise work prior to restoration. The study of images in the ultraviolet and infrared spectral regions are not allowed to reveal the restoration interventions.
The results of X-ray studies have shown that the composition of soil and ground paint layer composed of zinc white, brown, green and brown shades of colors are made with iron, mercury-containing pigments.
Photos images in the UV and IR spectral regions are given below.

Кирилл Сызранский 22.08.2009 18:08

Dmitry, you have to tally stands name initials "I."-Joseph, then after the 65 th year.
And you are trying to establish authorship?

vyadem 22.08.2009 18:32

Цитата:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 564696)
so after the 65 th year.

Cyril Syzransky, remind me, please, why so?
In any case, zinc white began to be used if my memory does not lead, in the 80-ies 19 cent.

Кирилл Сызранский 22.08.2009 18:36

vyadem, just started to manage the firm's son prezhdnego owner since 1865 of the year. It is a Joseph.
A company founder Giuseppe Datsiaro (1806-1865).

Дмитрий 22.08.2009 18:48

Цитата:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 564736)
vyadem, just started to manage the firm's son prezhdnego owner since 1865 of the year. It is a Joseph.
A company founder Giuseppe Datsiaro (1806-1865).

This is all true, of course, but it is not clear how this relates to the authorship of the picture? Of course, that the picture was written after 1865. I understood from the address store. Here he argued: "The Marine, 11. Street several times changed its name and address matches the beginning of a 20 th century, as I wrote above.

Кирилл Сызранский 22.08.2009 19:09

Цитата:

Сообщение от Dmitry (Сообщение 564786)
is not clear how this relates to the authorship of the picture?

Dates unrelated, but the company profile, yes.

sergejnowo 22.08.2009 20:16

Вложений: 2
Dmitry, I have a picture of about the same time - late 19 th century. She looks well stretcher exactly like yours.
Being interested in an artist, found a couple of his pictures on the Internet. Compare.
- A frame of my paintings.
- The landscape of the same author (painting with internet).

Дмитрий 22.08.2009 20:58

sergejnowo, compare, frame really like. And who is the author of these paintings?

sergejnowo 22.08.2009 21:07

Цитата:

Сообщение от Dmitry (Сообщение 564966)
sergejnowo, compare, frame really like. And who is the author of these paintings?

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...ight =????????

Дмитрий 22.08.2009 22:16

Цитата:

Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 564986)

Looked topic. I think that my picture does not look like yours.
Similarity stretchers hardly something we can say ...

Вивьен 22.08.2009 23:47

Цитата:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 564736)
vyadem, just started to manage the firm's son prezhdnego owner since 1865 of the year. It is a Joseph.
A company founder Giuseppe Datsiaro (1806-1865).

Cyril Syzransky you excuse me, with all due respect to you, you will have a little fix. Company founder Giuseppe Datsiaro (1806-1865).
Manufacturer Datsiaro existed in Moscow and St. Petersburg since 1830 It was founded by Italian Giuseppe Datsiaro (in Russia, he called Joseph Khristoforovich, 1806-1865). After the death of the founder of the business headed by his son, Joseph I..

Кирилл Сызранский 23.08.2009 00:04

Vivian, right? Well, you see ... : D
And I thought that this "I." son.
But the gist of it is probably not change, the firm engaged in the lottery of printed products and, I think, and the paintings had the same attitude. The flow of inexpensive unsigned paintings for poor interior.

Вивьен 23.08.2009 00:06

Cyril Syzransky, he still had a son, Alexander. But that's another story ... :)


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