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fross 20.08.2009 12:23

Exhibition "Thaw and time after. Moscow Artists 1958-2008"
 
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Exhibition Berlin gallery Sandmann attracted the attention of labor, which in my opinion is well illustrated by our discussions in the arbor (sm.podpisi under the photo).:)
About the exhibition, which will last until October 24 can be read here http://www.artsandmann.de/russian/au...hibitions.html

Черномашенцев Владимир 20.08.2009 12:39

The first miniature weakly expressed emotion in the "alcove." Second - Look closely reflects the most quiet and thoughtful participants. But the third - perfect for fights and squabbles!

The question - whether the error in translation?
I think that word artists are not suitable for the authors of these works:

1) More looks like a poster. Artist-poster artist.
2) Sculpture.
3) poster? Cartoon?

Евгений 20.08.2009 13:02

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir (Сообщение 559796)
I think that word artists are not suitable for the authors of these works:

Vladimir, the artists represented at the exhibition "The Thaw and time after. Moscow Artists 1958-2008" is the pride of Russia .. It's not just artists, and painters.

fross 20.08.2009 13:08

It not understand why before questions can not be spread on the Internet information search? It reduces interest follies per message.

Черномашенцев Владимир 20.08.2009 17:59

Gentlemen, if you evaluate an artist in terms of number of publications in the press and value, then one of the Artists of Art - the notorious Damian Hirst.

Excuse me ignorant, but if I see the average poster - that and say that this poster, despite its price tag. Thumbnail number one can easily repeat a designer or illustrator. In this paper, number two - an interesting idea, but no more. This is clearly not the sculptor Rodin and Bernini, and not Konenkov. In this paper, number three, I did not find great color palette. Try to put it on the background of the same Yavlensky, what happens?
And there's nothing I look to the Internet - I doubt I'll find it at these artists work better.

As there was a fairy tale about a naked king? All adults admired, one foolish boy allowed himself to cry crown phrase.

PS
For some it's maybe stupid, but really - this is my personal opinion. And I am sure that the same opinion may be in other people. At the same Russian artists, not all of whom are followers of the computer printing and conceptualism. Or go to the Tretyakov Gallery, talk with visitors "pilot" of the hall, that they can tell you about the poorly dyed door and a box of garbage?

Маруся 20.08.2009 18:17

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir (Сообщение 560446)
Lord, if the measure of the artist in terms of number of publications in the press and value, then

Vladimir V !....

Черномашенцев Владимир 20.08.2009 19:27

Once in the directory "France the second half of XIX - XX century. Collection of paintings." tom2, 2002,
I stumbled on the page 291 on black and white photo artist's paintings Leon-Maxim Fevr (Faivre) "Russian Parisienne" 1891 .. Cite her image does not make sense.

     Description read:
"... The fact that the portrait was commissioned in the late 1880's the salon painter Fevru, shows a certain position in society and prosperity Russian model. Artist before that won a bronze medal at World Expo 1889 in Paris." At that time it was an expensive artist.
    In the same year in Arles hospital, Van Gogh painted a portrait of the doctor free Ray. Who has not been evaluated by Ray and sold for 150 francs Vollaru, which in ten years it preprodal Cassirer, he Dryue. In 1908, SI Shchukin bought it for 4600 francs. Cite its image, too, makes no sense. But a completely different reason - its all they know.
    Expensive custom painting Fevra never leave reservists GMII, unless it is sent to replenish the collection of the provincial museum.

PS

My example says it is wrong to treat the art as the stock market, focusing solely on price tags. If now promotions are growing rapidly, so soon they will fall sharply. Time will judge. Pena leaves. Buyers of "masterpieces" will record a loss.
However, the same can apply to most market shares. It may be advantageous to place the shares "of companies' second-or third-tier? Monsters of the world computer-Hewlett-Packard once started their work in the garage. Now this garage - a museum. But the neighborhood was founded Silicon Valley.

Posav 20.08.2009 20:07

And more ... a picture of Van Gogh had plugged a hole in the henhouse. Later she was removed from there and now worth millions.

Маруся 20.08.2009 20:46

Your coalition should be ashamed of its members!

Черномашенцев Владимир 20.08.2009 21:14

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Сообщение от fross (Сообщение 559916)
It helps to reduce interest follies per message.

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 560776)
Your coalition should be ashamed of its members!

Why we should be ashamed!
I did not call anyone stupid, nobody was rude. I spoke on the theme of trying to justify [argue] opinion, it is impossible to relate to art and artists as a commodity with a price tag hanging. Thus, even objected to one of the members of our group - Eugene. Or for him you too ashamed? He's the one that said here against? I do not even argue with Fross, I did not even know her views on the miniatures shown - admires Fross or disapproved.

I am sure that it is not necessary to call the artist's great, if it only the prices are great. This is show business, not art. Following the current vogue for conceptualism and relevance will be held, the current American crisis in the arts will be held, as was the same Fevr. The high price tags, perhaps, will be changed the sign "SALE!". I would hope for the best ...

However, if the owner of the subject say that he wants to see me here - I will not fight for space. I'll go and do not slam the door. I am not sorry to leave the computer "battlefield".
Goodbye.

fross 20.08.2009 22:14

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Previous version of the message contained useful advice Eugenia familiar with the topics on the forum dedicated to creative non-conformists.
Name Leonid Sokov already mentioned several times in different themes, but look at his work can not often. First, I have seen Stalin was in the collection of Ludwig in the Russian Museum. He had been installed in front of windows with white curtains and the monumentally beautiful. Then Lenin and Dzhakometi of Art4.ru - with gay and delicate irony. A look at the name of soaring bear.:), And its recognizable theme with Marilyn.:)

Posav 20.08.2009 22:34

Vladimir, in our turbulent 21 important information and ideas, rather than technical skill. In actualism just have new ideas. Here you can do without a beautiful stroke and TP. That is valued in classical painting. Eden now more expensive than the Arts. You evaluate that work on the criteria of classical painting, but it is not a classical painting. The first work in general collage.

P.S. Maroussia! In our coalition is not forbidden dissent, in your own tail can be seen as walking one behind another, and put down thank you.:)

fross 20.08.2009 22:44

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Сообщение от Posav (Сообщение 561046)
Vladimir, in our turbulent 21 important information and ideas, rather than technical skill. In actualism just have new ideas. Here you can do without a beautiful stroke and TP. That is valued in classical painting. Eden now more expensive than the Arts. You evaluate that work on the criteria of classical painting, but it is not a classical painting. The first work in general collage.

In art, with an equal level of technical skill, and really need more ideas. Already in the 20 century, a beautiful stroke was not enough.
PSNedavno in the mysteries of abstraction were, so there beautiful strokes, and on them you can easily find authors.:)

Черномашенцев Владимир 20.08.2009 23:00

Ideas feeble happened.

Look at the posters, which I just posted on the topic "Present-parody.

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...095#post561095

No worse than the posters Bulatov - from my point of view. Ideas clearly stronger than that of artists who paint and can not, and can not think properly. I'm not talking about the fact that posters Bulatov were almost safe in a time when nobody could have predicted the decline of the Soviet era. A less unknown artists-poster artist allowed themselves much more rapidly respond to authority, not being confident in their safety.

I agree that the sculpture of juices - a masterpiece. If you visit the "experimental" Hall GTG - compared to other installations, he looks really wonderful.

PS

I can not help it. I do not like, and Bulatov, Kabakov, Kulik and others unknown to me Conceptual. What sort of ideas - in any advertising agency better idea! What should I do? Factitiously admire, repeating the opinions of "guru"?

fross 20.08.2009 23:24

So you a message about Eugene? He often expresses his attitude to creativity in superlatives. Perhaps it affects the eastern tradition. Here are September 1-2, will celebrate the 2200 anniversary of his native city - Tashkent. What his congratulations. But at the same time I want to ask at the main heroine of the novel by Dina Rubina "On the sunny side of the street" artist Faith Shchahlova a prototype? Very interesting. The city is described wonderfully, and some characters are obviously the real heroes, eg Volkov.


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