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jurineo 18.08.2009 08:56

Help with identification
 
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Dear Community
faced with a difficult problem. On a small and modest German auction was billed oil on wood 15 x 21 cm at which depicted a landscape that promenade in a certain coastal town. The terrain is mountainous. Of all инфы is only the date 1925 on the reverse side of the tree and zealously zeal owner - to prove that it Korovin.
I looked through all available sources, but unfortunately the horizons of my knowledge is clearly insufficient for identification. An attempt to appeal to a formal examination in the Federal Council has caused a smile - that if it dealt with such as Kirchner and Nolde, then we will be happy. Drop off has not yet sold a thing, for example, in Russia, in which some serious museum with adequate experts - just not realistic.
Now the question - why I thought of myself these adventures. Answer - a modest provincial auction (although not previously come across a very acidic finds) stubborn conviction of the owner is a very attractive price. As a result - and what never can tell?
Anyone who can help sort out this adventure will give thanks and show off both literally and figuratively.
Call now for connoisseurs.
Pre large merci. :)

Shl. Here are photos of this "miracle"

vyadem 18.08.2009 09:07

jurineo, a very small picture ... and show the opposite direction.
And yet we are with you educated people: cultural write in "german" auction ...

jurineo 18.08.2009 09:23

I used this turnover did not specifically nevertheless Sorry ...
Opposite direction can take pictures unfortunately only two weeks, as the owner of a vacation, although there is nothing special except "1925" is not available. By the way, that these quotes in the date to some degree I was intrigued, because the foreign works - it is not common. A little more than try to lay out a large-scale image. Thank you for your participation.

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Сообщение от god2012 (Сообщение 555476)
Yes, there's no Lochy gathered

I'm already against you said:)))

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Сообщение от god2012 (Сообщение 555436)
I understand you plan to buy this masterpiece of world art for nothing and sell for millions of ...

Let's find a compromise - you are not going to burden yourself with the answers, but I'm not going to share with you my plans ...

jurineo 18.08.2009 09:53

Like I apologized?
 
Dear Eugene,
I seem to have made a public apology for the so angered you, my unfortunate connotations, and believed that a precedent has been exhausted ...
Now, in fact - I asked the question to the community in the hope of all possible assistance. In response, yet was largely flood ...

Konstantin 18.08.2009 09:59

Flood, we have removed, it would be correct if you are, and with apologies to mend his text.

jurineo 18.08.2009 10:06

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 555636)
Flood, we have removed, it would be correct if you are, and with apologies to mend his text.

I totally agree. Already done. :)

Konstantin 18.08.2009 10:11

That's good. Now make a better (bigger) picture, the back of the same, and always hear the advice. I for example do not make it out at all, although it can and is associated with age (age is not the joy). Korovin a forgery artist, without good provenance is better not to risk it.

eva777 18.08.2009 12:16

I think not Korovin. He even sketches a better executed, and even later he did not write so carelessly his paintings. IMHO, of course.: Shy:

Игорь Гурьев 18.08.2009 13:24

Sketch is very nice, and thin. level for this size almost corresponds Korovin.

But it can hardly Korovin.
He always had a clear plastic, maybe even too much, about what he wanted to portray.

Yes, and organization of space is not Korovinskoe.

I Korovin be some specifying smears ( "building blocks", so to speak) behind, and not just a vague something in the background.

And here - not even clear what is shown.

For example, what kind of "smoke" in the middle?

Right lower quarter of the paintings - all nonsense, impossible for Korovin: to fill a quarter of the Etude simple gray - this must think of.


In any case, such a picture, even if to prove its authenticity (which is unlikely), more than a few thousand euro worth will not.

jurineo 18.08.2009 15:00

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 556026)
sketch a very nice, and thin. level for this size almost corresponds Korovin.

But it can hardly Korovin.
He always had a clear plastic, maybe even too much, about what he wanted to portray.

Yes, and organization of space is not Korovinskoe.

I Korovin be some specifying smears ( "building blocks", so to speak) behind, and not just a vague something in the background.

And here - not even clear what is shown.

For example, what kind of "smoke" in the middle?

Right lower quarter of the paintings - all nonsense, impossible for Korovin: to fill a quarter of the Etude simple gray - this must think of.


In any case, such a picture, even if to prove its authenticity (which is unlikely), more than a few thousand euro worth will not.

I think that some people put in Zabluda midget picture. Unfortunately, I can not get a larger size, but on Friday promised to provide the auctioneer, including photos backside. Moreover, even kindly offered to send an excerpt from the Thieme /Becker 21, Vollmer 3. about this thing. How to get - to put up a decent resolution and it really look more closely.
With regard to color and space in the lower right part - it costs a small format. There is quite imputed roadway under the sun. But at the expense of "building blocks" agree. Korovin always had a concrete and rear plans are usually ordered in great detail, but here many of the sketch in haste, but in oil ...
In any case, if vestch still from Korovin, and not even be of commercial interest, perhaps a chorus will bring clarity and this has an open question. Also enjoy.

jurineo 18.08.2009 15:14

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By the way, the question of the usefulness of viewing small provincial auction. In the picture signed and dated original of Edouard Manet, with expert opinion - EXPERTISE: With a confirmation from Alec Wildenstein, Wildenstein Instutue for Art Research & Development, Paris from 26 September 2006 PROVENIENZ: Mme. Manet, artist's widow. Such a миленькое Happiness 20 x 12 cm or experiment in yaponicheskom style and just what is USD 40 000.

Евгений 18.08.2009 15:22

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Сообщение от jurineo (Сообщение 556126)
EXPERTISE: With a confirmation from Alec Wildenstein, Wildenstein Instutue for Art Research & Development

And what is interesting for the expert (Alec Wildenstein), you can write a few words ..? He represents the Foundation for the Study of heritage E. Manet, or is something else?
This collector's son Daniel Wildenstein?
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jurineo 18.08.2009 15:35

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 556136)
What is interesting for the expert (Alec Wildenstein), you can write a few words ..? He represents the Foundation for the Study of heritage E. Manet, or is something else?
This collector's son Daniel Wildenstein?

I will not insisted, but to the best of my data Wildenstein Instutue for Art Research & Development is a purely commercial entity with a small permanent staff composition experts, but also widely employed for the evaluation of different, fairly well-known professionals. Money for the examination did not take the small, boasts a large influx of customers can not, although their track record has some very confronting research. Main specialization - France. Daniel Wildenstein - a son and not even a relative, but rather just the owner of the office, having the right to sign a formal opinion (including other spices).

observer 18.08.2009 15:38

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 556136)
What is interesting for the expert (Alec Wildenstein), you can write a few words ..? He represents the Foundation for the Study of heritage E. Manet, or is something else?
This collector's son Daniel Wildenstein?
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http://www.wildenstein-institute.fr/

Recognized worldwide structure for scrutiny of many works of French and some European artists, in particular - the French Impressionists.
If you want, for example, sell at a decent price occasionally found among the grandfather of Claude Monet painting of things without the need of this institution is indispensable.

In simple cases where, for example, is given a negative opinion on the price of photos from 150 to 250 euros.

Евгений 18.08.2009 15:39

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Сообщение от jurineo (Сообщение 556166)
Daniel Wildenstein - a son and not even a relative, but rather just the owner of the office, having the right to sign a formal opinion (including other spices).

Daniel Wildenstein is a very famous collector of the Impressionists, died in 2001, so I asked Alec Wildenstein is his son? Or relatives.

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observer, Withdrawn find information about the family. http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?Do...amp;print=true


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