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dedulya37 21.06.2009 20:11

This is not Stozharau!
 
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Yesterday had the opportunity to contemplate and take pictures next picture, they want to ascribe to the brush Stozharov.
I hope people more or less familiar with the works of Vladimir Fedorovich, see the absurdity of such an attempt.

Those who have seen few pictures Stozharov, I recommend to visit the site maslovka.org, where the background of the portrait of Mona Lisa can be found Stozharov name and clicking on it, view the more than two hundred works by the artist.

And now look like the work on Stozharov?

v_r 21.06.2009 22:15

Rather, it is a bad rehash Pimenov.
Silly, shoddy forgery.
Punctures in the figure and Technology highly salient.

dedulya37 21.06.2009 22:50

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Сообщение от v_r (Сообщение 440386)
a bad rehash Pimenov.

When I saw it the first thing that occurred to me:)

Кирилл Сызранский 21.06.2009 23:04

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 440306)
And now look like the work on Stozharov?

Image with such a plot has already seen. But there seems to have been engraved.

K-Maler 22.06.2009 01:01

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 440306)
And now look like the work on Stozharov?

This is a repetition of the picture was published under the name Tsvetkova. (Exact, add), found: Lot 238.V.A.Tsvetkov (r.1920) "Bike" h.m.124h124.5, evaluation E8000-12000, for sale 42000, Sotbiz2003.Opubl. "Petersburg artist" № 1,2005.

Евгений 22.06.2009 07:23

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 440506)
This is a repetition of the picture was published under the name Tsvetkova

You as always right.
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Size 50.8 x 41.1 in. /129 x 104.5 cm.
Year 1965
Misc. Signed
Sale Of Sotheby's London: Wednesday, November 19, 2003
[Lot 238]
http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot...ive_lot_id=238

dedulya37 22.06.2009 07:59

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 440506)
found: Lot 238.V.A.Tsvetkov

I also found.

Кирилл Сызранский 22.06.2009 10:04

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 440506)
VA Tsvetkov

Tsvetkov, Viktor (Red Hill, Tver region. 1920)
Student A. Eberlinga, M. Cheptsov, B. Johansson. Master of classical painting. Talented colorist. Remarkable master of landscape, portrait, still life. He studied under his father, a church painter A. Tsvetkov, the icon painter A. Speransky (until 1931). In 1934, was enrolled in preparatory classes of the Academy of Arts. While studying fond of monumental painting. In 1937, without passing exams at the Academy them. Repin (1937 - 1940). Fought in the Second World War. He graduated from the Repin Institute after demobilization in 1952.
By genre paintings, portraits and still lifes. Among his famous works: 'Finish race in Leningrad, on the struggle for peace "(1946-1952)," Shepherd "(1966)," not decided "(1967), « Cyclists "(1962) . Since 1942 the artist's paintings have participated in many exhibitions in Leningrad artists, in particular, exhibited at the State Russian Museum.
Work Tsvetkova are mainly in private collections abroad. In the late 1990s - early 2000's they enjoyed success on the Russian bid British auction house Sotheby's.
  In 1989 in Red Hill Art Gallery was opened VA Tsvetkov. Works Tsvetkova are held in many private collections, are successfully sold at international auctions, popular among Western collectors.
1. RUNNING athlete. Sketch for the painting "Finish", 1947, cardboard /oil, 27 x 15.
2. Not decided, 1950, oil on canvas, 103h148.
3. Tulips and roses, 1960, oil on canvas, 40x30.
4. Autumn in the Nevsky district, oil on canvas. 88h126.

Синица 22.06.2009 11:19

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And I have a little bit ...
VA Tsvetkov
1. "Peonies, poppies, lilies and daisies." 1959-1965, Oil on canvas, 58h75
2. Peterhof winter. 1962, Oil on canvas, 51h70
3. In the day of victory. " 1978, Oil on canvas, 66h56

saymy 22.06.2009 16:22

[B]dedulya37_
This picture was not shown to you to give her work the distinguished VF Stozharov, but just in order to determine reliably, with your help, ownership signature to paper, and the absurdity of the situation is that for you, brought a picture demonstrated asked your opinion, but do you think of this as some sort of attempt and put up for public discussion. If all the dealers because there were ... A publish someone else's picture without the consent of the owner and with such filing - at least not correctly.

Allena 22.06.2009 17:01

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Сообщение от saymy (Сообщение 441396)
looking for you, brought the picture showed ask your opinion, but do you think of this as some sort of attempt and put up for public discussion

Dear saymy! Counterfeit Stozharov market is not just flooded, but packed. The only way to counter this Sabbat - maximum alert on each case of market participants.

You are in this case, of course, the interested party - most likely, the seller or his representative. If you were a buyer, it would have reacted exactly the opposite. An honest seller will destroy this lime, dishonest seller will try to sell, ie shove (sorry!) illiterate buyer. Other scenarios not. I hope that you - an honest seller.

dedulya37 22.06.2009 17:20

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Сообщение от saymy (Сообщение 441396)
This picture was not shown to you to give her work the distinguished VF Stozharov

For someone else can give this work, if it is the name of my father?

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Сообщение от saymy (Сообщение 441396)
in order to determine reliably, with your help, ownership signature to paper,

It was found reliable. it is not the signature Stozharov VF

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Сообщение от saymy (Сообщение 441396)
the absurdity of the situation is that for you, brought a picture show asked your opinion

Maybe I need to go watch this work in order to express his and the mother's negative opinion?

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Сообщение от saymy (Сообщение 441396)
put up for public discussion.

The work was exhibited not for discussion, but as a warning that it does not belong to the hand of my father. As you can see, once find the experts, reporting the identity of another artist, no less distinguished.

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Сообщение от saymy (Сообщение 441396)
If all the dealers because there were ...

The fact that I'm not the dealer.

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Сообщение от saymy (Сообщение 441396)
A publish someone else's picture without the consent of the owner and with such filing - at least not correctly.

At least not correctly sign unknown works by famous names.

Glasha 22.06.2009 17:50

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Сообщение от Allena (Сообщение 441516)
Other scenarios not.

Exactly,
  saymy, which still may be possible, when the heir sees fraud, and seek further professional opinion, as not to announce its falsification?

Кирилл Сызранский 22.06.2009 17:51

saymy, I understand that you have registered today to respond to a message dedulya37 and to respond publicly.
But you would read a little forum topics are connected with counterfeiting, including counterfeiting Stozharov.
I gave you a couple of options, take a look.
 
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...ight =????????
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=18755
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=3145
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=10155

Your outrage message dedulya37, even ridiculous.
What you wanted to, he said nothing, that the art market appeared regular "zalepuha" regular "fufel" with the signature of his father?
This low-cost copy of a painting by the artist Tsvetkova so even with the signature "V. Stozharau." This shoddy odd job insults the memory of the great Russian artist VF Stozharov and you felt that his son would say nothing?
You know, can you and the dealer, but besides the lack of knowledge in the art, you seem, and c mental ability is weak.
Indeed, sometimes better to chew than talk ...
I feel sorry for the money that you may be able to earn by selling this fake, but I do not pity you. You got a good lesson, say thank you to those who taught it to you and bow low to them, and hedgehog, and whether you believe in God, then crossed himself.

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Сообщение от Tit (Сообщение 441646)
Sorry, off topic, but the identity of this work Tsvetkova also called into question ...

But what there flowers?
Viktor fine artist. Compare these cyclists with his lovely painting "On the day of victory."
I do not compare with the cloth that was sold at Sotheby's, with real "cyclists.

Синица 22.06.2009 19:07

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 441636)
But what there Tsvetkov?

Yes, Cyril, I have not seen your message, quoted Grandpa:

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 441546)
identity of another artist, no less distinguished.

I wrote that membership Tsvetkov "in question" ...
Then he thought that perhaps "no issues", their message removed, and you have already managed to write ...
Let me explain why I initially cautiously: Viktor in very old age, and everything works - sometimes does repeat their successful works ...


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