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dedulya37 02-08-2008 07:44

Let's fake?
 
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Of course the artist is an honor to be counterfeited. So you admitted you kotirueshsya on the market, the name was created.
But who will protect the good name of people who want to profit at someone else's fame?
To plant suckers, know nothing about art, can in different ways.
You can simply sign the first woman now famous name, but can also prove to everybody that you own nothing in this art do not understand, and money for you is more important.
I'll try to give an example of just the second time. Both names are worthy of respect, but not two in one now!

Konstantin 02-08-2008 17:56

I do not understand. The second picture is a bad "copy" from the first?

dedulya37 02-08-2008 18:21

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Originally Posted by Konstantin (Post 31336)
The second picture is a bad "copy" from the first?

The first picture is:
Igor Grabar (1871-1960)
Unstripped table. 1907. HM 96x100 cm
The State Tretyakov Gallery, Moscow

The second picture - picture is clearly a bad copy, and even to the same signed in the upper left corner the name Stozharov VF (1926-1973)

Third - the increased false-autograph.

Евгений 02-08-2008 20:07

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Originally Posted by dedulya37 (Post 31346)
obviously bad copies

This is not a copy of the (bad), but a hundred pood falshak.

Vladimir 02-08-2008 20:10

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Originally Posted by dedulya37 (Post 31346)
The first picture is:
Igor Grabar (1871-1960)
Unstripped table. 1907. HM 96x100 cm
The State Tretyakov Gallery, Moscow

The second picture - picture is clearly a bad copy, and even to the same signed in the upper left corner the name Stozharov VF (1926-1973)

Third - the increased false-autograph.

Maybe it specific, such as fraudulent "prowess", then to shine in the company? Type: Vparil lohu "Grabar" signed Stozharov - but he did not even look led "... How do these things sell? After all, in theory at galleries and auctions them on the path ordered?

LCR 02-08-2008 20:43

This reminds me of one of my undergraduate I was a disgrace to the dispute read a series of lectures "Museums of the world" with the same set of slides in ... Well, no matter where.

In general, no one noticed:)

Vladimir 02-08-2008 21:34

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Originally Posted by LCR (Post 31436)
read the lecture series" Museums of the World "with the same set of slides in ... Well, no matter where.

In general, no one noticed

It's like a school lecture on astronomy: "A lens of the telescope was made of wood, because up to this point is still no finish reading":)

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I was told that the forgery (not superpoddelki, under whose provenance is created, a legend and the right of publication, and the usual fake) are made on the basis of presentation, the abstract, based on the creativity. That is, people look at a number of works by the artist, noted some haratkernye subjects and then doing the work "explanations". For example, a work of forgers like sunflowers, but on the other - clowns. And then there is "a clown with sunflowers." For the specialist, the art historian, an experienced collector, it looks like a curiosity. But for an inexperienced person, who just saw in the museums of sunflowers separately and individually clowns new arrangement seems quite convincing.

qwerty 04-08-2008 18:24

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Originally Posted by LCR (Post 31436)
It reminds me of one of my undergraduate I was a disgrace to the dispute read a series of lectures "Museums of the world" with the same set of slides in ... Well, no matter where.

In general, no one noticed:)

Apparently, from the same opera: about five years ago sold at Christie Bakst drawing, signed and dated "1925". Figure after a trade has been purchased. Bakst died in 1924: D

LCR 04-08-2008 18:52

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Originally Posted by qwerty (Post 32376)
Apparently, from the same opera: about five years ago sold at Christie Bakst drawing, signed and dated "1925". Figure after a trade has been purchased. Bakst died in 1924: D

Our Frosya also found after 2 otherworldly Zverev, remember?

Hard lover of fine arts do not fall into mysticism:)

qwerty 04-08-2008 20:56

It would be interesting to hear someone with some fakes encountered, some details, names and characteristics. Yes, and it is useful.

uriart 05-08-2008 07:00

fake!
 
I am confident that each of us who sell works of art, faced with fakes!
It would be interesting to hear how each get rid of them.
I will start first, tell about yourself.
When holding salon in the city he did so.
Just hung out at the wall and enable a buyer to make the choice himself. But no dissuading him from buying and not prihvalivaya ee.Tak was easier to himself. Also I was curious to see fellow antiquarians as "sinks" on this subject.
But the main emphasis was on the rich snobs with aplomb connoisseur. Were they! It is with great pride, boasting of his luggage "knowledge" confidently make choices. And their choice was the "correct"!
Well? Who's own way!
A fellow antique dealers, buying from me for reasonable price something, were not themselves from the happiness that has me beat. I, thus, does not deprive them of joy "victory"!
But to be honest to the end, he was caught, and more than once.

dedulya37 05-08-2008 08:49

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Originally Posted by uriart (Post 32576)
A fellow antique dealers, buying from me for reasonable price something, were not themselves of happiness

And how, I wonder you to attribute them to the sale? This is the first.
And second, as the famous character "... for such cases is not just a bit candlesticks ..."

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Originally Posted by uriart (Post 32576)
I myself was caught, not once.

A little was to stay on myself? Or "loot" outweighed all the same?

qwerty 05-08-2008 09:34

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Originally Posted by uriart (Post 32576)
I am confident that each of us who sell works of art, faced with fakes!
It would be interesting to hear how each get rid of them.
I will start first, tell about yourself.
When holding salon in the city he did so.
Just hung out at the wall and enable a buyer to make the choice himself. But no dissuading him from buying and not prihvalivaya ee.Tak was easier to himself. Also I was curious to see fellow antiquarians as "sinks" on this subject.
But the main emphasis was on the rich snobs with aplomb connoisseur. Were they! It is with great pride, boasting of his luggage "knowledge" confidently make choices. And their choice was the "correct"!
Well? Who's own way!
A fellow antique dealers, buying from me for reasonable price something, were not themselves from the happiness that has me beat. I, thus, does not deprive them of joy "victory"!

In principle, such activity - this is the easiest way to amass trouble. As a minimum, this inevitably leads to a drop in reputation and, accordingly - business, at the most - serious disassembly with uncertain consequences (case Preobrazhensky). I'm not talking about the moral aspects.
In my opinion, if you happen to catch a fake and there is no possibility of its return to the seller, hang it in the far corner, and periodically looking at herself in preparation for new purchases.

Meister 05-08-2008 10:38

as they say "you want to change the world for the better, start with yourself" ... want to get rid of fakes, so we must not allow their distribution and possible to resist this and do not contribute to ...

uriart 05-08-2008 17:18

It was so long ago in times of bad ........, money and credit. And in the early 90's just started the influx of different fabrications.
I agree absolutely with all that selling fake criminal!
And then, it was only 2-3 episodes.
And is currently not in the antique shops fakes? Yes, plenty!
And sell exactly the same pattern that I wrote. See yourself! Guarantee no!
And on the trends exhibited much fuflyakov? And exposed and more ...


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