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Nik 26.04.2008 19:56

How to sell the painting at foreign auctions?
 
Included with the previous similar topic ( "How to buy at foreign auctions?"), a second similar question, it begs itself.

How to sell the painting at foreign auctions? Anyone wishing I could do this? What actions need to take this? What are the complexities, subtleties, pitfalls can be encountered with this? Experienced people, answer.

Where more profitable to sell now: at foreign auctions, the domestic auction or through any gallery here in Russia?

Meister 27.04.2008 01:53

Sell now at foreign auctions can be anyone if he can withdraw its course, but this question was moved to the theme of "import-export". omitting this probably the most difficult moment, the picture is brought to auction, where the expert committee evaluates its authenticity and value. If it coincides with your assessment, then the picture is taken by the auction house, and you signed the agreement ... It is in general, I think there more knowledgeable people on this subject yet unsubscribe ...

but where more profitable to sell, I'll answer. It seems to me, more reliable through gallery ... because of the sale of the western auction linked with the attendant costs of transportation, insurance. And if she was not sold, then it is back to take you? but it still costs ... yes, at auction, it may take more, but. If, again, it does not prodatsya, you will have to remove it for a year, because the art market does not like things that are not sold at auction. Domestic auctions still fairly narrowly focused, therefore, in my opinion, more reliable, quieter, and certainly easier to sell through the gallery.

Nik 27.04.2008 08:39

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 1326)
to sell the painting at foreign auctions can be anyone if he can withdraw its course, but this question was moved to the theme of" import-export ".

Unfortunately, there is still no sensible answer to the question of what painting could or could not be exported and the necessary documents for the export of things abroad.


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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 1326)
painting is brought to auction, where the expert committee evaluates its authenticity and value. If it coincides with your assessment, then the picture is taken by the auction house, and signed an agreement with you ...

Is it possible to send beforehand for auction on e-mail a picture (photograph) and preliminary things to know whether they will take it on sale and what estimate: if the real thing? Does this practice?

LCR 29.04.2008 03:41

Indeed, giving the painting to the auction, its owner must be prepared for that if it is not sold, he will suffer financial losses and for placing the image of a directory (a rather expensive operation), often because of its frame, while the gallery takes its fee only in case of sale.
In principle, one can agree with some of the auction houses that they bought a painting before the auction and has exhibited her "away", but in this case the price is usually much lower valuation (of course, it all depends on what is ha picture )

Nik 29.04.2008 07:40

LCR, Hello! Thank you for your reply! You obviously have experience in self-purchase of paintings at auctions. If you do not make it more difficult, say for a couple of small issues.

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 1546)
Indeed, giving the painting to the auction, its owner must be prepared for that if it is not sold, he will suffer financial losses and for placing the image of a directory (a rather expensive operation), frequently -- for its framing

And what is interesting, worth? For example, placing pictures in the catalog? The fact that I know quite well the publishing business and quite imagine how much should it cost edition sotbisovskogo or kristisovskogo directory. Given their runs and even free distribution to the cost of the catalog page them of all must be stowed in the $ 500 (it even with a reserve). A page from them an average of 3-4 of the lot, if not hits. So to estimate how much should it cost space pictures in the directory is easy.

Same story, I think, and framing. They have this process should be established, and the cost, this operation should not be too much. Did they earn in addition to such things, and vice versa lift their price in the hope that the way to dinner spoon and clients will still be there and nowhere will be paid.

And yet I am still wondering whether one could send a mutual agreement on emeyl to auction pictures and photos, find out whether they take it and how to estimate:?

d_atiquariato 30.04.2008 03:43

Write on e-mail
 
Lord, what auctions are you interested in?
Each auction their zamorochki, much depends on the country where the auction will take place (taxes, for example ...).
If there is a desire to talk on this subject, email me at mail. In determining the extent of your loyalty to me and if there is free time try to give full answers.

Nik 30.04.2008 07:02

d_atiquariato, all of your posts are very interesting, you give a very insightful and valuable information based on personal experience. Why do not you write about it here and not in personal correspondence? This information is not in fact a trade secret, then it can safely publish. I think it would be interesting to the vast number of people. I am sure that other users of the forum will support my request.

If you are not too difficult, it would be interesting to read your notes on all auctions that you have to deal with. For example, starting with large and well-known: Sotheby's, Christie, Bonham, McDougal, etc.

Not necessarily all at once to describe, we are in no hurry. :) But we look forward to your stories. Thanks in advance! :)

LCR 30.04.2008 16:20

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Сообщение от d_atiquariato (Сообщение 1716)
Lord, what auctions are you interested in?
Each auction their zamorochki, much depends on the country where the auction will take place (taxes, for example ...).

d_atiquariato absolutely right, I can only add that as a rule, recently appeared auction houses typically offer sellers more silt less favorable conditions (for example, an auction Gene Shapiro), but this situation lasts for a brief period (eg, MacDougall).
At the same time, the final prices of these auctions are usually lower than that of "large".
Well, now we know a themselves :-)))

Enotka 17.11.2008 16:27

As far as I can imagine placing pictures on the 1 \ 4 page in the catalog of the auction house is worth about $ 350, at 1 \ 2 - about 600. Also, I think, for the unsold paintings still pay some commission. interest rates with the hammer in the case of the successful sale of the painting.

artcol 17.11.2008 19:25

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Сообщение от Nik (Сообщение 1366)
Unfortunately, there is still no sensible answer to the question of what painting could or could not be exported and the necessary documents for the export of things abroad.

Over 100 years can not export anything at all. Over 50 years - with the permission of Rosohrankulutry (now Rossvyazokhrankultura) stamped on security paper. Younger than 50 years of normal.

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Сообщение от Nik (Сообщение 1366)
Is it possible to send beforehand for auction on e-mail a picture (photograph) and preliminary things to know whether they will take it on sale and what estimate: if the real thing? Does this practice?

It is possible, all well done.

мистер-у 17.11.2008 22:54

Usually try to buy good stuff at the auction and bring in the country under an order or for sebya.Etim dealers engaged or experienced collectors, which are sent to view the pre-sale exhibition of its ekspertov.Po another scheme material gain and leave abroad, without vvoza.Eto investment in the arts . The work, after some time once again be exhibiting at the torgi.Esli you really serious work, I do not think that it may be underestimated in Rossii.Horoshego-"shock" of the material becomes less and menshe.Poobschaytes serious professionals and museum workers , listen to their views on the work and pricing, count the economy, and then decide you need a Sotheby's or Christie's.

Enotka 18.11.2008 12:17

There is a more complex issue: how to sell the painting contemporary artist (or photographer) on the west auction? I perfectly understand that there are primary and secondary market, the auction only resells the work, but where to begin something?: shy: can anyone have had such an experience?

LCR 18.11.2008 18:20

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Сообщение от Enotka (Сообщение 110136)
There is a more complex issue: how to sell the painting contemporary artist (or photographer) on the west auction? I perfectly understand that there are primary and secondary market, the auction only resells the work, but where to begin something?: shy: can anyone have had such an experience?


No, the auction is not only resells the work.

Auction Houses distinction between primary and secondary markets do not comply and as a secondary, and their staff regularly refer to the artists and their successors with a request to give them work, so you can simply apply to the auction house and offer a picture that you want to sell.
Of course, guarantees that the work will be accepted, no, but why not try?

Enotka 19.11.2008 17:45

That is precisely the point that this path has already been tested. The auctioneer refused to take the work of artists who have not participated in international exhibitions and have not received wide resonance. You're right, exceptions are made, and work directly on the artists sometimes sold, but it is only in the case of well-known authors.

how to be an artist who sells his relatively good works in private collections of its high quality, go to "enslave" under the terms of the gallery does not want to, but wants to promote their own work through the auction?

LCR 19.11.2008 20:22

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Сообщение от Enotka (Сообщение 112216)
how to be an artist who sells his relatively good works in private collections of its high quality, go to "enslave" under the terms of the gallery does not want to, but wants to promote their own work through the auction?

There has to choose. I think that without a gallery artist impossible to build a real career - you can regret it, you can enjoy this, but it is so. It depends on your ambitions, if you're comfortable selling work in a confidential manner, without show, without participation in various prestigious events - Your right, but it will take time before the auction houses to hear about you and want to have with you business. And you can find an honest and professional gallerist (and do not mind me, these are, I'll know some of them:)), which will deal with your promotion is probably more professional than you do. Do not forget that for many important events are not invited to the artists, but only gallery.

Regarding the bondage I yuy said that compared with European ones, where the rate is not below 50%, and especially the U.S. (many take up to 80%) of the terms of the proportion of gallery owner is quite acceptable to talk about slavery is not necessary.
 
And finally, name even one of the artist, who managed to push myself without gallery or agent? This is a mythical beast, the nature of such does not exist: p
But I wish you good luck in any case.


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