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bend 18.04.2009 14:59

Russian or western?
 
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Please help professional anti-crisis investment advice.
I want a modest savings to buy a picture on the wall hanging. Inexpensive (say, 1,000 euros. At the suggestion of the forum participants the amount increased to 10,000 euros. A Pom for the same reason to change currency to pounds. Now, 10,000 lbs.),: Eek : but so that it has some real value (in Moscow): eek:: eek: and it can be safely bequeath to future generations. : eek:: eek:: eek: ...
Not modern, and relatively old, turn of 19-20 centuries. For example, a still life or landscape some pleasant to the eye, and to let the artist was unknown, but they really existed.

Q: it is more profitable (in the sense that it will be more valuable) - purchased at a Moscow gallery Russian artist or gallery eropeyskoy European? At random it seems that in the European galleries in the price of similar pattern significantly lower (dropped a couple of times). From an aesthetic point of view of love in equal measure and both.

Neighbors have always seemed to be nicer for the same money poke a finger in the picture: "Here, the type he had brought from Antwerp ...!!!" : shy: What "The lover grandparents with the century before last remained": cool:. And as far as soovetstvuet investment reality?

I understand that the question of discharge: "And who do you love more - mom or dad?" Nevertheless? Where to put something?

Кирилл Сызранский 18.04.2009 15:04

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328316)
on the old, turn of 19-20 centuries. For example, a still life or landscape some pleasant to the eye, and to let the artist was unknown, but they really existed.

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328316)
inexpensive (say, 1,000 euros),

Russian? Problematic ...
But I think now you local dealers napredlagayut-"cheap and evil" ... : D: D: D

bend 18.04.2009 15:07

Would you like to say that the West, by definition cheaper?

Евгений 18.04.2009 15:12

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328316)
to let the artist was unknown, but they really existed.

should I buy a little-known-especially for 1000 EUR?

Кирилл Сызранский 18.04.2009 15:13

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328346)
Would you say that the West, by definition cheaper?

  bend, just "western" You'll be able to choose their thousands at Western auctions, for example. Sredezemnomorskuyu, Nordic, Eastern European, etc.
A "Russian"? A dozen if offered ... from power. Yes, I imagine these "masterpieces" ...
For the money and falshak "good not sell ...
But read the l /s, I think the evening you go "threw" masterpieces ... : D: D: D

vyadem 18.04.2009 15:14

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328346)
Would you say that the West, by definition cheaper?

We - yes, ... 95 percent of our collectors collect Russian paintings .. warming the demand and price (which is now in a crisis situation is a little different, but sooner or later come back to my place) ... and European painting, valued names !!... but for 1000 euros, you will hardly find a Cezanne or Monet ... My advice - look for something from the 60-80-years ... you can buy a good, raduyuschuyu eyes now for the price attributable to ...

Евгений 18.04.2009 15:17

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328316)
buy in the normal Moscow gallery Russian artist or gallery eropeyskoy European?

In the European-Russian artist gallery ..

vyadem 18.04.2009 15:19

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 328406)
In the European-Russian artist gallery ..

not always cheaper than buying here :)... especially with a budget of 1000 euro seems to me to look for it we

antip 18.04.2009 15:21

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328316)
and that the artist was let little-known, but they really existed.

Until now, never seen a picture existed but an artist.

Евгений 18.04.2009 15:27

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328316)
"Behold, the type he had brought from Antwerp ...!!!"

Best of Paris, the more there is a person lives (LCR) ... always happy to advise, let you know ..

qwerty 18.04.2009 15:44

I think for the money it is quite possible to find something from the charts 70-90-ies of the last century, such as theatrical works Messerer, very decorative and decent quality, I think that once they reach the level of prices or theatrical works Tischler Dobuzhinsky, and now for 1000 euro you can buy a pair, still remain and obmyvku purchase.:)

bend 18.04.2009 16:50

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 328336)
Russian? Problematic ... : D: D: D

Answers piqued my subconscious. I understand what it is afraid.

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1. Everyone knows that in Europe Porshe is cheaper than a Lada in Russia. A carved furniture in Thailand - cheaper furniture in Elektrogorsk. So I thought - "Why Russian in Europe are cheaper than in Russia?" and "Why is Russia in Europe in general, no?"
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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 328406)
In the European-Russian artist gallery ..

Is not it - a consequence of the momentary situation last five years? For the past five years, all were crazy. In particular, Monet's something I've already bought.
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Сообщение от vyadem (Сообщение 328376)
not likely you will find a Cezanne or Monet ... a sane price ...

Moreover, it is in Paris.
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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 328446)
best from Paris, the more there is a person lives (LCR) ... always happy to advise, let you know ..

I paid a cheap, by the way: only 8 Euro. Oil on canvas, all things ... Monet ... 30x40 cm among other things. Zoom Mona Lisa!
: p

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2. I have three children. I - an ordinary soldier Specialist (with a capital income, it is true), ie I - no not a collector and never will be. I have a hole in the wall nothing to hide. But for 8 euros Monet did not fit me. Although I bought it. I do not consider painting as a tax haven, the material for speculation and so forth. business. Just do not want to spend money in vain. I want to buy now at least three (3) pictures that do not perish for ever. Ie - Not Monet, but really lived the artist. To my children, too, to cover their holes did not hesitate to shop with modern certificates even expensive, but unreal.
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Сообщение от antip (Сообщение 328426)
So far never seen a picture existed but an artist.

So. There is a feeling that if I now spend 1,000 euros in Antwerp or elsewhere - that after 20 years it will cost at least 5,000 euros. At the same time, there is a suspicion that if I now spend 10,000 euros in Moscow - in 20 years it will be all the same 5,000 euros.
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Сообщение от vyadem (Сообщение 328376)
we have - yes, ... 95 percent of our collectors collect Russian paintings .. thereby heating demand and price

Any idea? Or neotpiarennaya, but a real rarity painting can only be detrimental?

vyadem 18.04.2009 17:07

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328656)
Or neotpiarennaya, but a real rarity painting can only be detrimental?

then stick with two ends ... for example, you buy a little-known artist from the same "Ecole de Paris" ... painting is good and you like it ... and then 2 options: someone else, a heavier player in the art - market also invest in it and begin to untwist, then your only children will thank you for a good investment. Version 2 - the artist will remain obscure with a good painting.
It is as you rightly call "PR", etc.

Кирилл Сызранский 18.04.2009 17:10

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Сообщение от vyadem (Сообщение 328736)
Version 2 - the artist will remain obscure with a good painting.

And then 3 possible option. Another purchase of this artist and his own "spin" ... : D

vyadem 18.04.2009 17:11

Cyril Syzransky, also a good way:)
but as I understand the budget "banquet" 1000 euro ..


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