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Vladimir 13.07.2008 22:25

Why forbid photography pictures with flash?
 
Colleagues, someone understands why museums forbid photography pictures with flash? Where did this order? At the level of common sense is difficult to believe that the canvases from this sharply ploheet ", and the graphics are usually covered with special glass. In short, is there some technological background? Or is it a question of harm? Technologists, answer.

Евгений 14.07.2008 05:51

Vladimir, on the schedule, such as in the technique "pastel" effect, odnoznachno.Pochemu? Technologists probably explain ..

Vladimir 14.07.2008 13:25

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 21646)
Technologists probably explain ..

That and I want to ask the technologists. And as a bed outbreak affected? What's happening?

nikola 14.07.2008 20:59

In February, walked through the halls of the Louvre, take pictures of everything. Near Mona Lisa's crowd
removed. Do not disturb employees influence of light on the safety of products.
Light, humidity, temperature in the great number of visitors seems
not constant. Probably works Louvre printed everywhere where only
and can be photographed on the business is not affected. Consider blocking pictures
GREAT Lease. For those who shot and I'm including it did not come to enjoy
genius of Leonardo, and bring friends photos as proof. (I saw her.)
Pastel drawing for many years. I know that this is one of the most durable technique.
Color relationships do not change the laws of chemistry. (crayons not fade)
More affect the quality of the selected bases and soil. Bacteria often destroys cardboard, paper and cardboard. It seems everywhere the most terrible and dangerous they are.
And if the product before you created 5 centuries ago and it is still fine, I think it is not because it had not been influenced by light.
But the need to preserve pictures! Not less than their health. At the outbreak of vision
affect accuracy.

Vladimir 15.07.2008 12:57

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Сообщение от nikola (Сообщение 22246)
pictures of everything. Near Mona Lisa's crowd
removed. Do not disturb employees influence of light on the safety of works.

Here is the normal approach to the museum business - take the extra money, but do not spoil the pleasure of people. And we have seen the museum degenerated into fighting. I remember five years ago came to the Russian Museum. The heat was terrible, was with a bottle of water - not allowed to enter with her, spoke about the mode of constant humidity, temperature regime and other blizzard. Well, come - in every other room windows open, air-conditioning nafig together with temperature and humidity conditions. So there is a feeling that the question still in the harmfulness. It's a pity that the technology has not yet responded: (

ACG 29.07.2008 00:34

Vladimir
Sorry, that long did not answer. The end of July holiday.
Of course, I'll ask technologists, but from my point of view, damage to the product of an outbreak is not harmful. Paintings and drawings by fear, basically, only prolonged heat. On this, the microscope is used cold, diode light. Museum bans are likely to relate not to the possible damage to the exhibits, and the impact of the outbreak to the sensors of security and fire alarms.

Евгений 29.07.2008 10:37

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Сообщение от ACG (Сообщение 29186)
long-term heat exposure.

However, watercolors, pastels, and especially .. just fade in the light (heat is not being). Volodya and asked why?

Konstantin 30.07.2008 17:17

When riding on an excursion to the Church of St. Nicholas, he is Nicholas Ugodnik and he is Santa Claus. Is a church in Turkey.
Guide asked not to remove the frescoes in the church with flash, because fade from strong light.
From Mona Lisa's true - all photographed, and the picture is small and very dark. But it was ten years ago. Anyone who has seen recently? Same?

K-Maler 16.04.2009 23:53

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 21646)
Vladimir, on schedule, such as in the technique "pastel" effect, odnoznachno.Pochemu? Technologists P

Until recently, the bed was one of the most persistent techniques, it is almost like rock-painting. It is prepared from natural pigments, very tonkotertyh, any of you can cook it. The pigment is mixed with a very small number of simple binder, like a weak glue. Then she was trying to inflict on the rough paper to less crumbled, sometimes suede, velvet ... Problem to save her from shedding. Harmful vibration rather than flash. Therefore, the reverse side is recommended to put a something soft and pressed glass. Do not carry on the Show! This applies to "light", this pastel. There is another, oily, it's almost like butter, and also uniquely beautiful.

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 21606)
Technologists, answer.

I presented the views of the author of the book "painting technique" DI Kiplika (Moscow, izd. Svarog i K ", 1998.). Read it, it was written long ago and for artists, but it must have a home and collectors to know what you can do with the pictures and what not. Watercolor fade in the light, and oil, in contrast, require lighting, etc. Now, for example, many collectors own cover lacquer paintings. It can not be done, the picture darkened on many layers. Or, conversely, personally "clean" from the new means of varnish - so you can remove the final glaze ...

Сима 17.04.2009 14:33

Graphics usually exhibits no hanging, just at the shows, with special lighting. Who thinks that we use the spec. Glass, he is mistaken, it is expensive for museums. I believe that the museum "prohibitions" - is such a mental disease, from which even the left "wall" is difficult to get rid of. And inside the "walls" they (the bans) give a sense of its overvalued those who watch over their execution.
I've been faced with the fact that in Lisbon Oceanarium asked not to shoot with the flash "population". And asked, to my shock, in Russian. There are so many people walk, that fish is probably from outbreaks by the end of the day receive the "convulsions". I think, and superintendents in the museum halls are eligible for leniency, occupational safety and health (in the sense of threat to vision and nerves).

Konstantin 17.04.2009 15:04

It could and write. They say not to flash. But it's just different. At the Pushkin Museum can take in the permanent exhibition and can not be in the coming exhibitions.

Vladimir 17.04.2009 16:04

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 326646)
At the Pushkin Museum can take in the permanent exhibition and can not be in the coming exhibitions.

This practice often. In the New York Museum of Modern Art can also be fotkal in the permanent exhibition (where the masterpiece of a masterpiece), and in the halls with imported exhibitions (individual or partnership museum) - it is impossible. Specifically the hands not crash, but will be asked to do so (it is important to have time to make a few shots:). Here everything is clear: there is the wish of the owner and commercial reasons - buy a catalog for $ 30 and see. Version with the presence of technological reasons therefore not Gil.

Тютчев 24.02.2010 03:44

in the Berlin Museum have banned pictures of Nefertiti bust

Berlin Neues Museum (Neues Museum) February 18 completely banned photography in the hall, where the famous bust of Queen Nefertiti, because of fears for the safety of the paint coating sculpture. It is reported by Earth Times.
A spokesman for the museum said that earlier bust was allowed to photograph, but the rules for visitors are prohibited from use in this outbreak. Total ban on photography had to be introduced due to the fact that tourists are ignoring the rules of the museum. Shooting the bust of Nefertiti from the outbreak had been banned since the museum feared that it could damage suffered in a stone image of an ancient layer of paint.

According to the Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation, the Fund, which supports the work of the museum, yet it is not known whether the flash of digital cameras have a negative impact on the contained in a colorful layer of pigments, so the ban is a precautionary measure rather than a necessity.

Scientists estimate the age made of limestone and covered with a plaster bust of the Egyptian queen in 3300 years. Presumably it was made by sculptor Tutmos in 1345 BC. In 1912 he was discovered and later left the country a German archaeologist Ludwig Borchardt. The Egyptian authorities have long been trying to return the sculpture, but the German side rejects any claims concerning the ownership bust.

http://www.lenta.ru/news/2010/02/19/nefertiti/

Posav 24.02.2010 11:48

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Сообщение от Sim (Сообщение 326566)
Graphic typically exhibits not suspended, only at the shows, with special lighting. Who thinks that we use the spec. Glass, he is mistaken, it is expensive for museums. I believe that the museum "prohibitions" - is such a mental disease, from which even the left "wall" is difficult to get rid of. And inside the "walls" they (the bans) give a sense of its overvalued those who watch over their execution.
 fish, probably because of outbreaks by the end of the day receive the "convulsions". .

Why classical work in the museum take on debilnik or a bar of soap? This is akin to someone in the theater does not disable debilnik and all seemed to love to talk, or students who are running podcast as a monkey and then show each other. " In the museum are for impressions, not podcast. The museum must work the eyes and brain, not a camera. In places of worship and museums, a person must join, tune. But modern works and installation of photographs even need :). They're in most of the time and sooner or later will be unmounted and will be in rubble.

Seriy 24.02.2010 12:36

Why pigments fade in the light-clear - light - is the flow of energy, especially short-wave ultraviolet-t e, and causes chemical reactions, especially oxidation by atmospheric oxygen.
And what is the spectral composition of the flash do not know. And if the room has windows, what ultraviolet light gets through them on film. List of stable pigments is very low, ocher, chromium dioxide, cadmium. All the others change their color at different rates depending on hundreds of reasons. Light may be one of them.
Normal glass prevents most ultraviolet light. Monna Lisa for such a glass, that there is no UV does not pass.


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