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Кирилл Сызранский 06.03.2014 16:39

VLADEY - spring auction March 18
 
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I was pleased as Samartsev Stock trades Loov Samara authors.

While saw two - Logutov with object, and two things Andrew Syayleva - [URL="http://vladey.net/auctions/spring2014/lot-30074.html"]to[/
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олег назаров 06.03.2014 17:55

Africa is much cheaper .. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Кирилл Сызранский 06.03.2014 18:16

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Сообщение от Oleg Nazarov (Сообщение 3041551)
Africa is much cheaper .. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->


And somehow it is not very lots, to be honest.

олег назаров 06.03.2014 18:44

Flags 10 years ago are the same cost $ 25 t 8 euros and now wondering whether the leave?

And I think he wedges now done repetitions.
St. Petersburg artists that he has no one else buys <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Ирина Ивановна 17.03.2014 13:30

However , Mr. Ovcharenko , despite the obvious investment obviously unattractive " novodelnyh " works Bugaev , persistently promotes lots of this website at its auction site . In addition, in the appendage attached to Mr. Bugaev Messrs. Krisanov and Gutsevich - lured "witnesses" from the side of Bugaev by notorious trial. I can understand when inertia selling \\\\ buying works Bugaev still sufficient abound in collections abroad. But as to the value represented by doveskov Krisanova Gutsevich and have strong doubts . In a famous series of international exhibitions group New Artists 1988 -1991 years. , Which began with the exhibition "De Nya fran Leningrad" Kulturhuset in Stockholm in 1988 . , Then continue in Denmark, the UK and ending in Mexico City exhibition "Jovenis artistas de Leningrado" 1991 . , And Krisanova Gutsevich organizers put only once at the first stage in Stockholm , and the only one picture of each of these two authors. It should be noted that after the first exhibition of new artists in Stockholm later in Europe promoting their Fredrik Vogel, but he chose to advance only : Kozlova , Novikova , Savchenkova , Kotelnikov , Bugaev , Sotnikov , Ovchinnikov, Bunny, Maslov and Kozina ( there are written documents ) . As a consequence, it is these paintings these authors found in private collections in Europe and then America. Krisanova Gutsevich works and was not among them , their Vogel culled more "input" . Despite its close proximity to the influential Bugaev , these authors did not appear and the "output" - Mexican catalog no .

Vladimir 17.03.2014 14:55

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Сообщение от Irina ; 3058781"
However , Mr. Ovcharenko , despite the obvious investment obviously unattractive " novodelnyh " works Bugaev , persistently promotes lots of this website at its auction site .

Introduction of the catalog - quite expensive . And if the thing did not have good chances to be served , it is unlikely that commercial people will waste it " promote" . At the auction, only the result counts. And to promote the exhibition there . By the way, on the pre-sale exhibition of Bugaev looked good .

Ирина Ивановна 17.03.2014 19:59

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 3058891)
At the auction, only the result counts.


October 17, 2013 auction Vladey:


Sergei Bugaev Africa

Moscow Sch-2 (entrance fee), 1988

hardboard, oil, 150 x 100 cm

€ 12,000 - 15,000


This item was left without a buyer, apparently so now only € 6,000 - 7,000.

Ирина Ивановна 19.03.2014 13:05

Auction??
 
Always believed that auctions are the secondary market, ie things to them directly from the author is prohibited . On the same site of 92 lots 66 obtained directly from the artists or the heirs of the deceased ( lots without asterisks). Can we assume Vladey full auction ?

Also, I was not able to electronically this auction even offer to buy something from his small collection , because the page does not work in reality - is forwarding to another page. I expressed directly in their email address and a request to help bewildered - no reaction. Of which has yet concluded - not an auction , and the explicit " cabal ."

Vladimir 19.03.2014 13:51

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Сообщение от Irina (Сообщение 3059061)
This item was left without a buyer, apparently so now only € 6,000 - 7,000.

Fairness of four lots sold Bugaev three.
Only one anti-Lissitzky not find a buyer.

U_Z 19.03.2014 17:18

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Сообщение от Irina ; 3060561"
From what yet concluded - not an auction , and the explicit " cabal ."

Not quite (perhaps active work with third-party deliverers ahead , at least want to believe it ) .
In my opinion, show the intention to become " our Saatchi " that basically good , and necessary.

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Сообщение от Irina ; 3060561 "
always believed that auctions are the secondary market, ie things to them directly from the author is prohibited .

For young artists participate in auctions must - it stimulates and gives confidence .
Yesterday a couple of girls are immensely happy that their work /or work friends have been sold !

Ирина Ивановна 21.03.2014 16:59

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 3060621)
fairness of four lots sold Bugaev three. Only one anti- Lissitzky not find a buyer .

I repeat that Mr. Bugaev for its more than 25letniyu creative. biography settled in private collections in sufficient quantity. Therefore, it will offer long deliverers they buy. And the new owners will inevitably consider purchasing only because he - a member of the Leningrad group New Artists , a large collection of works which has and promotes our country in the face of the museum on a national scale - belt . And because of this , although in my personal taste , the creativity Bugaev is no artistic value , not going anywhere - is of historical value . Bugaev - not beginners young artist who is only important for the fact that his work is bought \\\\ bought . For the author of an autobiography with such important at what price . A growing trend , which quite rightly pointed out above Oleg Nazarov, tragic. Only in the last six months : flags fell from 10 000 to 7000
Lot 32 Vladey Fall 2013
Sergei Bugaev Africa
Affaziya (dedication R.Yakobsonu ) , 2000e
Ready flag embroidery
125 x 175 cm
€ 10,000

Lot 53 Vladey Spring 2014
Sergei Bugaev Africa
Affaziya , 1994
Ready flag embroidery
130 x 155 cm
€ 8,000 - 10,000
Sold for € 7,000

: Acrylic "Anti- Lissitzky " one sold at the bottom bracket for 6000 and the second following her 5000 . Thus, the auction price acrylic Bugaev par with the price of acrylic Krisanova , the latter being smaller and Nth repeated earlier work 80th . Krisanov in Mr. Bugaev laborer works : paintings hanging on the exhibitions , their packs , transports , transports and perform other menial jobs . Now they were both equal "weight " category. One of them as a human would be difficult to go through this unpleasant fact . Especially in comparison with the current prices of such New as Gur'yanov Novikov .

However , the reputation of the artist , of course, do not auction records, and :
1) the presence of his works in the collections of major national museums , and acquired the procurement commission and not received a gift
2) an extensive list of solo exhibitions
3) constant self-development , which watch it our colleagues , critics, collectors , and not cloning decades of the same " rehash "
4) in the presence of the iconic prints leading national museums

Rhetorical question - that the author or his collector is of great importance : the auction record Vladey or presence of , for example, a full-fledged edition belt devoted to Russian art 1985-2000 gg . , And accompanying exhibition. Quite fresh edition 2012 Evaluates the last quarter of the 20th century. Small circulation of 2000 copies . , But expensive , printed in Italy. Among the many participants and the list of the Leningrad group New (alphabetically) : Bugaev , Gur'yanov, Bunny, Kozlov , Kotelnikov , Maslov, Novikov, Vadim Ovchinnikov , Savchenko , Von Stackelberg ( Sotnikov ) Khazanovich , Khlobystin Yufit . Bulls in the above publication is listed in , and Krisanova Gutsevich and it is not included. Ie evaluation of the significance of these three authors professionals belt turns significantly different from the one that appears on the results of auctions. And so I can not believe that the artist Krisanov , which I can not recall any personal exhibition , whose works did not buy belt ( Africa gave it to them and Novikov ) and who did not develop , and continues to exploit developments late 80s . judging by the content of the lot number 1 , it is worth on auction records at the moment as much as the city Bugaev .

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Сообщение от U_Z (Сообщение 3060721)
Not at all ( perhaps active work with third-party deliverers ahead

About that speech that deliverers , and in most of the authors , and all his people Preexisting abundantly. Probably, all giving each other's feet in circles around the city of Ovcharenko . Because it is possible to manipulate them .

Vladimir 21.03.2014 20:05

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Сообщение от Irina ; 3061961"
Rhetorical question - that the author or his collector is of great importance : the auction record Vladey or the presence of , for example, a full-fledged edition belt devoted to Russian art 1985-2000 gg . , And accompanying exhibition.

Apparently, not so rhetorical. I believe that the auction record at this stage of the author and collectors has greater significance than the presence in one of the publications on art . And because you think otherwise? Krisanov was well represented in the " brush strokes " that is not enough. At these exhibitions of his many for himself and opened . The impact of the opinions of professionals in the market timing career as an artist , I would not be overestimated. In general, I admit, is not in itself of such a discussion style artists.

Ирина Ивановна 21.03.2014 22:05

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 3062061)
Apparently, not so rhetorical. I believe that the auction record at this stage of the author and collectors has greater significance than the presence in one of the publications on art . And because you think otherwise? Krisanov was well represented in the " brush strokes " that is not enough. At these exhibitions of his many for himself and opened . The impact of the opinions of professionals in the market timing career as an artist , I would not be overestimated. In general, I admit, is not in itself of such a style discussion of artists .

Of course, different.

 Trifle, but note : the exhibition called " Brushstroke " ( no plural ) and an exhibition with the same name was one ( so it is not clear what you mean by the phrase " at these shows " ) . The exhibition was held only in St. Petersburg , but not in Moscow or other cities , so many have not seen her . Preparing this exhibition and the accompanying catalog is belt specialists . Thus, it turns out, according to your words , and they have identified a career of this artist, because without this show , judging by your own words, Krisanova many would never have learned and have not opened . Open one of St. Petersburg's New in 2010 for lovers of contemporary art such as late, late twenty years . And in our narrow circles of St. Petersburg he had long been known to us for over 25 years, respectively, in comparison with other evaluated. Namely, in reality in the " Brushstroke " and, accordingly, this exhibition was presented Krisanov most meager way - only one work " Muhomorchik " (p. 172 directory ) , less is more modest and not just happens. Other participants were presented with a much wider , especially Kotelnikov , under which the exhibition and was "sharpened " . So that you , unfortunately , slightly embarrass . Style discussion , of course, is different , sometimes not easy , but you should at least understand the question, look through the catalog , which refers.
 
Discussed not only artists, auction prices for many artists, what objective factors may influence their formation and which came first established the artist's reputation in professional circles or auction ( sometimes the doubt ) record.

Vladimir 21.03.2014 23:59

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Сообщение от Irina (Сообщение 3062241)
The exhibition was held only in St. Petersburg, but not in Moscow or other cities, so many have not seen her.

In Moscow, the exhibition called "New coming!", It did the same curator that "Brushstroke".

Ирина Ивановна 22.03.2014 11:01

No, it's a different show with different organizers and different directories. Curator , yes, one - Ekaterina Andreeva , a leading specialist of the newest trends Belt. Belt , in particular, provided the product from the collection to the exhibition MMSI. You're contradicting yourself , again referring to the edition prepared by professionals of art criticism and art ( but not auction ) environment.


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