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Котова 29.01.2014 20:49

Nicholas icon in basma salary
 
Ask to speak about this icon (place of manufacture, school, shops, iconography ...).

Valuation is not interested.

Аркадий 30.01.2014 07:21

Cohn.
19 - early.
20th-century icon-painting workshops former province of Vladimir (Kholui, Mstera) icon from the category most inexpensive, "people."
Salary tin ..

Котова 30.01.2014 08:22

Salary from the back side white places.

This tin or silver???

Nimbus reverse side has the remains of mercury gilding - for "very" commonplaces icons unless it was economically beneficial.

Аркадий 30.01.2014 11:32

This gilding ( gold leaf sheet ) on this icon can not be. What you call " gold-plated " - the essence substitutes , imitation , in this case tin under buckthorn ( yellow ) varnish.

If you mean mercury (fire ) gilding salary , here it also can not be . Tin salaries are not gilded. You do not call " mercury gilding " golden glow cans ?

Котова 30.01.2014 15:41

Let's split into two parts: the crown and salary .
1. Salary in the initial state was white ( color remained on the reverse side Basma ) . Question - for icons such cheap ( discrepancy ) class used tin or silver.
2 . Crown in the initial state was yellow metal (do not nail ), I suggested - mercury gilding. You write - varnish . Remains not exactly nail . For cheap icons golden crown is not profitable , so I ask a question spice can
who faced .

And about the yellow cans comparison is not correct . Gold leaf from , mercury gilding and metal coating of yellow varnish distinguish even me.

Кирилл Сызранский 30.01.2014 15:49

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Сообщение от Kotova (Сообщение 2966051)
you write - varnish.

Wrote about the varnish on nimbus, and not on the crown.

Fed 30.01.2014 16:55

And what does the best , and possibly partial , " mercury gilding " to the current value of the icons?
Options can be full - saved in the icon , but partly gilded , no gilding , its icon master tinsmith and gilded himself as best he could , or for a gift , etc.
General could then attach salary - as renovations , loss strongly noticeable.

All these fantasies make sense when there is a real subject for discussion.
But such was not found.
With the board would get prospective buyers , and with others.

Аркадий 30.01.2014 19:07

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Сообщение от Kotova (Сообщение 2966051)
2 . Crown in the initial state was yellow metal (do not nail ), I suggested - mercury gilding. You write - varnish . Remains not exactly nail . For cheap icons golden crown is not profitable , so I ask a question spice can
who faced .

I wrote about the varnish nimbus (ie painting), you used the word to describe it is " halo " and now it turned out that you is meant by a halo crown tin salary. Then look p.2 my answer.

Котова 30.01.2014 20:15

Dear Fed, question the value of this icon is not discussed.
Personally, I'm not interested.


You write - all these fantasies make sense when there is a real subject for discussion.


And do not discuss.

Added after 4 minutes
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Сообщение от Arkady (Сообщение 2966641)
I wrote about the varnish nimbus (ie painting), you used the word to describe it is " halo " and now it turned out that you is meant by a halo crown tin salary. Then look at my answer to claim 2 .

ie If you mean mercury (fire ) gilding salary , here it also can not be .

end response

My cue - and actually is - mercury gilding

Fed 30.01.2014 21:05

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Сообщение от Kotova ; 2966761"
you write - all these fantasies make sense when there is a real subject for discussion.

And do not discuss .

Ie - Did not happen. Or tolerant - there are not clear.
Write simpler: you answered on attribution. You want to icon was not " from the category of the most inexpensive ," and of the category of " just cheap ."
Why do you need it? How does this relate to your first post - issue?

Just to extrapolate that theoretically contrived value to the current value? This is something very strange would estimation method .
And without question , the current values ​​in general still have remnants of gilding there or not. Than it will help to clarify the investigation:
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Сообщение от Kotova ; 2964521"
place of manufacture , school, shops , iconography .


Котова 30.01.2014 21:49

Dear Fed, did not come , just before you
I asked to report - place , school, shops , and iconography that the phrase refers to the attribution of ICONS .

From all the discussion - it was said that the former place Vladimir Province (Vladimir and obviously knows more about real , not just the former ) . More substantially , no reply was not about attribution .

You are constantly carrying nonsense " the cost " ( nonsense - is a tolerant expression) , you repeat the previous answer - the cost does not interest me . And except for the province of Vladimir nobody said nothing. Alas .

Кирилл Сызранский 30.01.2014 21:57

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Сообщение от Kotova ; 2966981"
And besides Vladimir province nobody said nothing. Alas .

How not to say?
That's the same :
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Сообщение от Arkady ; 2964971"
Con . 19 - early. 20th-century icon-painting workshops former province of Vladimir ( Kholui , Mstera ) icon from the category most inexpensive , "people ." Salary tin ..

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Сообщение от Kotova ; 2966981"
that the former place Vladimir Province

Correctly , and iconographical Mstera Kholui now in different areas.

Аркадий 31.01.2014 06:31

Цитата:

Сообщение от Kotova (Сообщение 2966981)

From all the discussion - it was said that the former place Vladimir Province (Vladimir and obviously knows more about real , not just the former ) . More substantially , no reply was not about attribution .

You are constantly carrying nonsense " the cost " ( nonsense - is a tolerant expression) , you repeat the previous answer - the cost does not interest me . And except for the province of Vladimir nobody said nothing. Alas .

 SW. Kotova , I gave ample , from my point of view, information on the attribution of your icons. If you do not like this kind of free consultation , you can contact the expert scientific organization or GosNIIR VHRNTS them . Grabar , and get an official expert opinion (which will be written about the same thing , only in greater detail , IMHO) and pay for it will have quite a bit - 20.000 - 30.000r .


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