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Paulig 10.01.2014 19:08

Gerard Dou?
 
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Good day!
 Help identify authorship ?
I hope that this is one of the earliest paintings of Gerard Dou (Gerard Dou),
Written by him ( on the conclusion by some experts ) when he was a pupil of Rembrandt Doe , either immediately after the Departure of Rembrandt in Amsterdam in 1631-1632

Painting is not a member of Interpol in searching catalogs (although Germany was taken from 1945)
We in turn have already held several examinations confirming authenticity of the painting , including the Hermitage and the famous expert Vyazemsk

Artoil-A 10.01.2014 21:02

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Сообщение от Paulig (Сообщение 2935671)
Good day!
 Help identify authorship ?
I hope that this is one of the earliest paintings of Gerard Dou (Gerard Dou),
Written by him ( on the conclusion by some experts ) when he was a pupil of Rembrandt Doe , either immediately after the Departure of Rembrandt in Amsterdam in 1631-1632

In the picture there are drawbacks .
Hands reduced.
Browridges and eyebrows are not expressed - the skull close to the female .
Midline forehead - nose - chin seems bent .
Hands on the book of the forearm is not well developed in relation to the face.
Painting a few dryish , although archaic within those traditions.
Sloppy finishing clothing , which is important for assessing the social situation at the time, and sloppy finishing background .
It is inherent in the technique of the young artist - I do not know , but a mature artist did not show such defects and carefully distinguished .

ANATOLY 10.01.2014 21:34

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Help identify authorship ?

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wrote them ( the conclusion of some experts ) when he was a pupil of Rembrandt Doe , either immediately after the Departure of Rembrandt in Amsterdam in 1631-1632

 I do not know how much you paid for their expertise , but my expertise is cheaper and more . Work very good and you need to spend a qualified expert , you do not want to sell it for nothing , though , after examination, the work can be quite cheap.

Paulig 11.01.2014 03:19

dou
 
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In fact of the matter that strikes negligence in detail while the Dow within paintings can be viewed with a magnifying glass .

Perhaps this picture 15 - 17 year old boys ( pupil of Rembrandt ) and possibly a mature Doe (at the time when he had his own school ) and brush the Dow here belongs to the head and hands , and the rest dorisoval same student how he himself was when the Dow


Yet for seeding add another item, the signature master whether it can mutate so ?

Магнолия 11.01.2014 06:13

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Сообщение от Paulig (Сообщение 2936311)
signature wizard if she could mutate so?


We have forensic criterion - stability signature.
To conclude the authenticity researched dozens of samples.

Artoil-A 11.01.2014 06:25

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Сообщение от ANATOLY (Сообщение 2935921)
I do not know how much you paid for their expertise , but my expertise is cheaper and more . Work very good and you need to spend a qualified expert , you do not want to sell it for nothing , though , after examination, the work can be quite cheap .


Perhaps there is a problem , for example , Pushkin :

" The museum does not give individuals and organizations the written statements and certificates of authenticity to the work. "
http://www.arts-museum.ru/museum/service/

As I understand it - the trend , but ...

Paulig 11.01.2014 07:37

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Сообщение от Artoil-A (Сообщение 2936381)
Perhaps there is a problem , for example , Pushkin :

" The museum does not give individuals and organizations the written statements and certificates of authenticity to the work. "
http://www.arts-museum.ru/museum/service/

As I understand it - the trend , but ...

In fact of the matter is that in both examinations and no one raised the issue prove the authorship of the Dow , and raised the question - What is it all about (for me for example painting on oak in general was unusual even with such careless asymmetrically beveled on the back side)

here's another examination which was signed Vyazemskaya

Магнолия 11.01.2014 08:07

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In fact of the matter is that in both examinations and no one raised the issue prove the authorship of the Dow , and raised the question - What is it all about (for me for example painting on oak in general was unusual even with such careless asymmetrically beveled on the back side )

Daylight icons? ? ? nameless copy ? ? ?

Unfortunately, my antivirus program does not handle your investment .

Paulig 11.01.2014 09:14

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Сообщение от Magnolia (Сообщение 2936441)
Daylight icons???
nameless copy???


Unfortunately, my antivirus program does not handle your investment.





http://postimg.org/gallery/79psk2y2/

sergejnowo 11.01.2014 10:39

Paulig, apparently, you dug a subject very well, deep and wide and it is not spent a penny.

As they say, the end justifies the means.
Tell me please, what is your goal?

Artoil-A 11.01.2014 11:33

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Сообщение от Paulig (Сообщение 2936421)
In fact of the matter is that in both examinations and no one raised the issue prove the authorship of the Dow , and raised the question - What is it all about (for me for example painting on oak in general was unusual even with such casually asymmetrically beveled on the reverse side )

here's another examination which was signed Vyazemskaya

Lack of preparatory drawing even more confusing. Does not mean - whether it up with well-developed sample ? Then become incomprehensible error anatomical modeling.

redbor 11.01.2014 13:20

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Сообщение от ANATOLY (Сообщение 2935921)
my expertise will be cheaper and more.

ANATOLY, you can find out: What is your assessment?
 
You spend it yourself?
How and where?

Paulig 11.01.2014 21:19

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Сообщение от Artoil-A (Сообщение 2936521)
Lack of preparatory drawing even more confusing.
Does not mean - whether it up with well-developed sample?
Then become incomprehensible error anatomical modeling.




We DOW about 390 known paintings, including the point that they are not among this sample

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 2936501)
Paulig, apparently, you dug a subject very well, deep and wide and it is not spent a penny.

As they say, the end justifies the means.
Tell me please, what is your goal?



One goal is the truth, well, the end result is of course for sale!

sergejnowo 11.01.2014 22:32

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One goal is the truth , well, the end result is of course for sale !

unfortunately true you do not find , you can make /dial dozen official examinations of the work must be original or non-original will not.
For sale in Russia expertise play a significant role in pricing, but virtually no demand .
In Europe, these documents do not need them , everything is easier.
If you bring this work to the auction , Christie's or Sotheby's say , " chemical analysis " conduct on-site inspection of the operation on all sides , the reason there fingernail yes SNM and ready.
But the starting price will be appointed on the basis of comparison of the painting with the known works of the author. Here ambush, comparative level of painting your work low offer /will start at 10,000 - $ 15,000 and be done with it . Nobody will hammer head , original or not , the answer to this question will give the buyer at the time of the auction.
Certainly make a fuss with original works of high artistic level Bombings provenance , and there are 100,000 - 200,000 $ quick Start .

Paulig 12.01.2014 04:18

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Probably agree with you in everything, even in the fact that the artistic value of the picture is not so great ! And the fact that consumer demand in Russia for such paintings almost zero .

 But that's the price of the Dow is still not as modest as you say , and if we admit that this is one of his earliest works , the price for the person who collects the Dow I think will have a mediocre value .

That is why it is so important for me to figure it out early or late Dow scribble art school Doe when pictures on request any fishmonger stamped hundreds of the same nephew DOW being his disciple

By the way I would like to know your opinion on personal signature ( on the photo mismatch specified by an arrow)


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