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Алексей Романович 13.12.2013 23:00

Ivan Vladimirov, "The Cossacks", oil on plywood. Russian Empire, nach.HH century.
 
Вложений: 5
Ivan Vladimirov, "The Cossacks" , oil on plywood . Russian Empire , nach.HH century.
Dimensions: 32.5 x 50 cm
Negotiable .
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Ivan Vladimirov (1869, Vilnius - 1947 , Leningrad) .
Honored Artist of the RSFSR . He studied at the drawing school in Vilna I.P.Trutneva (1888), the Academy of Arts ( 1891-1897 ) at BP Villevalde , AD Kivshenko , FA Roubaud . Distinctions received medals in 1891 and 1893 . In 1897 he received the title of class artist of the first degree . In 1897 he worked in Paris in the studio of E. Chrono . As an artist - correspondent was on the Balkan fronts , and I- Japanese World War II. Member artistic associations tonnes (1913-1918) , TPHV (1916-1918) , AHRR - AChRs (1923-1929) , the Society of them . AI Kuindzhi . Painter, draftsman , watercolorist . Copyright military sketches , battle and historical and revolutionary paintings, landscapes. Lived and worked in Vilnius and St. Petersburg - Leningrad. Visited the Crimea and the Caucasus . Exhibitions since 1893 works are in the State Tretyakov Gallery , the Museum of Contemporary Russian History , the Museum of the Revolution in St. Petersburg .

sergeysan 18.02.2014 01:39

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Сообщение от Alexei Romanovich (Сообщение 2897911)
Ivan Vladimirov, "The Cossacks", oil on plywood.
Russian Empire, nach.HH century.

what price?

Алексей Романович 18.02.2014 09:42

Ivan Vladimirov, "The Cossacks", oil on plywood. Russian Empire, nach.HH century.
 
Item sold.

Alex3030 18.02.2014 12:22

Ivan Vladimirov
 
Too bad they sold.
This, in my opinion, poor copy of the picture.
Signature dry pigment layer and does not resemble the original.


The present work look


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Алексей Романович 18.02.2014 15:31

Ivan Vladimirov, "The Cossacks", oil on plywood. Russian Empire, nach.HH century.
 
This is not news - the dry layer on plywood boards and the signature is found in 50%of cases ...
And the fact that this vesh yavlalas remark with the big picture, I've always been clear.
Only the author's remark ...

Alex3030 18.02.2014 16:10

Ivan Vladimirov
 
Not sure about the author !
Look again and your original work . In the first study even handed nature of the characters . What can be seen is the Cossacks , who are the only son , and who is not one of the family. Your job is "flat" , and the original given perspective. look

remind:

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Кирилл Сызранский 18.02.2014 16:13

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Сообщение от Alex3030 (Сообщение 3005321)
remind:


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Yes easier to just put the image here.

тата 18.02.2014 18:23

Neither of which the wretched in this work do not.
 And the gallery space in the work of no more than provided .
 About the signature on the "dry " and in kindergarten do not remember .
 Example - almost all Byalynitsky-Birulya dry . Almost all the work
 signed when asked buyers - and took out a stack of
 signed . It was not such a one , for this reason, each
 I think the work met in fair condition , but the signature is partially
 crumbled . Dust did not wipe - it's simple. I dare say that all
 big things signed dry . Inside the paint with the addition of
 varnish laid thinly , dries in a few hours , sketching ,
 in the sun for an hour , as if written in the morning or in the evening , the next
 day ...
 If this is a copy , it is quite decent, even coloring quite
 " Vladimirovskaya " , and what etude - such things as it now
 found more than a prescription . quality of the
 work can not deny authorship of Vladimir . He was an ordinary
 artist and is known for a job if I'm not mistaken , " Down with the eagle ."
 Anyway, the photo, the absolute guarantee of experienced expert
 he will not, because it does not confirm the script - the same error .
 The present work , a little less than the gallery and see some
 changes in the composition , which is quite harmonious, it could do
 or the author or artist is very decent .

Балагур 18.02.2014 18:30

???
 
Вложений: 2
Look at the top (center), the horse's head, and one on the other picture.
Comments not necessary, moreover, that there are differences.
<! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Maybe - two works by one author?

Alex3030 18.02.2014 19:09

Ivan Vladimirov
 
I met a couple of three times Vladimirov early Vladimirov . Prior to the 1920s . All works are written were very lively . Though , as I thought , you Tata, think him weak artist , but in the early early works there , not many experts familiar trait temperament !
Look for it in the copy number of the work ) )

If , yes we admit that the work is late, then why are the same size and base ? ?

Strange !

Although Peter I no longer surprises !

тата 18.02.2014 19:14

Yes, like a rabbit 's head at two jobs . No one is arguing that a gallery is much better , but only met sketches Vladimirov and trenchant these horses , for the purity of the experiment should not have to put fried image . <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Flat horse chump ... Of course this argument ,
I admit have not seen , and the rest is not so bad , but the signature is dry and lack of space is not an argument . <! - ~ 1 ~ -> There is also the head of a Cossack krupnovato not very well proportioned .

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I met a couple of three times Vladimirov early Vladimirov . Prior to the 1920s . All works are written were very lively . Though , as I thought , you Tata, think him weak artist , but in the early early works there , not many experts familiar trait temperament !
Look for it in the copy number of the work ) )

If , yes we admit that the work is late, then why are the same size and base ? ?

Strange !

Although Peter I no longer surprises !!

 Well, Peter is different . And the size is just different. I understand
 a gallery is on the tree , and that plywood is not it? So I am still and attentive. <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Do not ascribe to me that I did not say , and then the conversation can take unpleasant character for both of us . about temperament
expression and let someone else tell whether any . Here you are, and I'm not looking for it
I'm sorry , but try to operate exclusively facts. " Weak Artist" - did I say? ? ? About temperament too? ? ?
I can clarify - uneven, too met a couple of times or what , and it is absolutely true . If you want too tend to favor
copy , then the signature of course . A temperament leave physiologists and
Malyavin with Korovin .

Toinen 18.02.2014 19:39

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Сообщение от Alex3030 (Сообщение 3005771)
Peter Although I no longer surprises!



And I was surprised by hasty "experts" lettered introductions!

тата 18.02.2014 20:07

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And I was surprised by hasty "experts" , having read prefaces !

 I often think of a dialogue with my good buddy :
 Yesterday saw the work of Aristarchus Lentulova .
 So what?
 Such muck .
 And that fake?
 No real .
 You know how I love him , and it's such crap .
 I wish I had not seen him . <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Alex3030 18.02.2014 20:15

Ivan Vladimirov
 
Tata , I agree, subject could be allowed to float freely ) ) still buy it !


And I do not pretend to be an "expert" and if someone wants to hook me , believe me , I can scatter examinations PM on Petrov-Vodkin and their ilk . And how many classics offered ) ) just do not cut down with an ax ) )


And I do not read prefaces . If you do not like my opinion , you can not comment . We are free people in a free country ! And we have the right to speak !

тата 18.02.2014 20:29

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Tata agree theme could be allowed to float freely ) ) still buy it !


And I do not pretend to be an "expert" and if someone wants to hook me , believe me , I can scatter examinations PM on Petrov-Vodkin and their ilk . And how many classics offered ) ) just do not cut down with an ax ) )


And I do not read prefaces . If you do not like my opinion , you can not comment . We are free people in a free country ! And we have the right to speak !!

Yes , I actually also not an "expert" , I think is unlikely , who themselves seriously, they then
believes .
 So that 's all very good. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->


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