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tekryt 13.11.2013 09:14

Aivazovsky?
 
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Good afternoon.
Please help to establish authorship and the value of the painting.
Based on the history of its origin, it is likely that this is the work of Aivazovsky
Painting without signature (perhaps it sketched).
Ramu replaced by yourself.
Oil on wood.
30h17 cm (5-7.pdf)

John Preston 13.11.2013 09:16

Nothing to do with I.Ayvazovsky this marina does not have!


There's even a respected Nicholas Levenko can not disturb!

tekryt 13.11.2013 09:20

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 2843501)
Nothing to do with I.Ayvazovsky this marina does not have!


There's even a respected Nicholas Levenko can not disturb!


And do not tell me the possible authorship?
The picture is quite old.

John Preston 13.11.2013 09:26

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Сообщение от tekryt (Сообщение 2843511)
And do not tell me the possible authorship?
The picture is quite old.


I think that is almost impossible to establish the authorship, given the absence of a signature, notes on the painting, provenance ...

tekryt 13.11.2013 09:39

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 2843521)
I think it is almost impossible to establish the authorship, given the absence of a signature, notes on the painting, provenance ...


This painting was in the collection of family Pfalz-Fein.

If authorship install does not work, then what is the approximate cost of this work?

John Preston 13.11.2013 10:28

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Сообщение от tekryt (Сообщение 2843531)
This painting was in the collection of family Pfalz-Fein.


Baron Pfalz-Fein, as far as I know, living in Liechtenstein, and there is a collection of his ...


I do not know about the price, if the authorship is not defined, then the price of the work - in the range of $ 300.

tekryt 13.11.2013 10:34

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 2843561)
Baron Pfalz- Fein , as far as I know , living in Liechtenstein, and there is a collection of his ...

I do not know about the price , if the authorship is not defined , then the price of the work - in the range of $ 300 .

This is not a picture of Baron Pfalz- Fein . This is a picture of Frederick Eduardovicha Pfalz- Fein or Eduard Ivanovich Pfalz- Fein . Was in Askanii Nova .

John Preston 13.11.2013 10:36

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Сообщение от tekryt (Сообщение 2843581)
This is not a picture of Baron Pfalz-Fein.
This is a picture of Frederick Eduardovicha Pfalz-Fein or Eduard Ivanovich Pfalz-Fein.
Was in Askanii Nova.


Well then let the forum users from the Ukraine will investigate can find some interesting clues.

tekryt 13.11.2013 10:46

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 2843591)
Well, then let the forum users from the Ukraine will conduct an investigation, can find some interesting clues.

Let us hope so.
We also know that I.Ayvazovsky came to Pfalz-Fein and may have been the author of this picture.
The painting depicts the rocks near Feodosia.

John Preston 13.11.2013 11:07

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Сообщение от tekryt (Сообщение 2843601)
and, possibly, was the author of this painting.


I'm telling you, this version can be safely discard!
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tekryt 13.11.2013 12:13

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 2843621)
I'm telling you, this version can safely throw away!
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Approx.
Thank you.

Николай Левенко 13.11.2013 20:59

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Сообщение от John Preston; 2843501 "
Nothing to do with Ivan Aivazovsky , this marina has !

Indeed, there is nothing to add to the opinion of the distinguished John Preston, can only agree . It is only to say that the outline of the horizon is not recognized by Theodosius . And I was interested in the assumption "... it is likely that this work Aivazovsky painting without a signature (perhaps it sketched ) This is who dared to sketch signature Aivazovsky himself ? most added .

tekryt 14.11.2013 08:29

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Сообщение от Nicholas Levenko (Сообщение 2844521)
Indeed, there is nothing to add to the opinion of the distinguished John Preston, can only agree . It is only to say that the outline of the horizon is not recognized by Theodosius . And I was interested in the assumption "... it is likely that this work Aivazovsky painting without a signature (perhaps it sketched ) This is who dared to sketch signature Aivazovsky himself ? most often added .

Thanks for the reply . In the revolutionary period sketched signatures to reduce the value of the picture , otherwise it could take .

redbor 14.11.2013 11:28

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Сообщение от tekryt (Сообщение 2845051)
Thanks for the reply.
In the revolutionary period sketched signatures to reduce the value of the picture, otherwise it could take.

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Балагур 14.11.2013 12:20

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Сообщение от Nicholas Levenko (Сообщение 2844521)
Indeed, there is nothing to add to the opinion of the distinguished John Preston, can only agree . It is only to say that the outline of the horizon is not recognized by Theodosius . And I was interested in the assumption "... it is likely that this work Aivazovsky painting without a signature (perhaps it sketched ) This is who dared to sketch signature Aivazovsky himself ? most often added .

Carefully examined the picture. In addition to coats of paint - saw nothing. No painting, no liveliness. I tried to imagine the movement of the sea , wave run-up to the shore. I could not imagine. When I look at paintings by Aivazovsky , I forget that they are written in paint , I see only alive entry that live action , state the nature of the elements, emotions overflow .
In this picture - just paint. On smears of white note .


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