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Dogel 26.08.2013 12:05

Shishkin was stolen from the museum, Korovin, Zhukovsky
 
Вложений: 2
From the museum in the Vladimir region stole the painting "Forest" by Ivan Shishkin, "Fisherman" Konstantin Korovin and "First Snow" by Stanislav Zhukovsky. The robbers carried canvases night before Vyazniky of Art and History Museum. Masked men at first hid in the museum, then tied up the guard and stole the picture.

Valuable artifacts guarded female caretaker of 62 years, told Business FM spokesman of the interior ministry of Russia Alexei Bahromeev: "Three masked men, previously hidden in the room Vyazniky Art and History Museum, threatening physical violence guard, tied her up and openly stole Shishkin, Korovin and Zhukovsky. Total damage is established. Now the police carried out to the identification and arrest criminals. "

Damage to the Vyazniky colossal museum, told Business FM vice president of the International Confederation of antique and art dealers Michael Perchenko: "The Ministry of Culture has no means of tighter protection of small museums, so museums are protected by an extremely bad. Damage - a huge, especially for such a museum as Vyaznikovsky. "Fisherman" Korovin costs 300 thousand dollars and above, Shishkin "Pine Forest" - more than a million, Zhukovsky - under half a million. "

Find traces of the missing paintings are usually not easy. They soon lost in private collections - the experts say

uriart 26.08.2013 12:38

The usual story !
Money for the protection of the no . And the security guards to protect themselves ....
'62 Man , woman .... Which with her ​​bodyguard ?
Just create special conditions for the thieves.
On the other hand look at the situation as we find the following , as it is , and was gone.
The Bolsheviks then robbing people and then sold abroad for hard currency .
It's a shame all the same , I would cut off the hand of spoilers . For one started .

K-Maler 26.08.2013 13:25

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Сообщение от Dogel; 2730161 "
find traces of the missing paintings are usually not easy. They soon lost in private collections - the experts say

And what is this "private collection " are the owners of which do not stop stolen ? Examples are possible? Talk possible? The punishment for these " collectors " perhaps? After all, these pictures are public , the announcement of the theft is known , it is impossible to say " do not know " . Or arrogance in this field is , by default, permissible ?

Konstantin 26.08.2013 13:50

Вложений: 3
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Сообщение от Dogel; 2730161 "
find traces of the missing paintings are usually not easy. They soon lost in private collections - the experts say

It's not so often lie at criminals , until not try to sell. Exactly at this point, they will realize that it is much more difficult than to make them from a museum guard tied . And ( or) will be caught in the exchange of paintings for money, or will hide them in the hope of selling when things calm down , again mistaken .
Here is the correct picture.
PS.
Small museums would like to advise to spread the image of the pictures online and it will be a good prevention against burglars .

Кирилл Сызранский 26.08.2013 13:53

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The twenty- fifth of August in 23:00 in Vyazniki outside of the Annunciation , 62 , three masked men , previously hidden in the room Vyazniky Art and History Museum and threatened with physical violence guard born in 1951 , tied her up , openly stole the picture.
Vyazniki - a city in Russia , the administrative center of the Vyazniky Vladimir region . Center for Urban Settlement "City Vyazniki ." The population of 41,248 people (2010 ) .
The city is located on the right bank of the river on the east side Kliazma Gorokhovets spur , 93 km from Vladimir on the motorway M7 "Volga ».

Wikipedia .

Dogel 26.08.2013 14:10

Вложений: 1
official representative of the MOI of Russia Vladimir Basov of Anna clarified that the representatives of the museum did not provide documents about the authenticity of pictures, so to judge the historical and artistic value prematurely. At present, addressed the issue of a criminal case.

Тихая Сапа 27.08.2013 04:38

I wonder what kind of securities awaiting Research Affairs of the museum?
It seemed to me that the abduction is a kind of presumption of innocence for pictures.
That is,
I affirm that I have stolen Shishkin.
We are looking for a Shishkin, grab thieves, and the questions of authenticity and the extent of damages the court decides.
Not you?

uriart 27.08.2013 07:21

Silent Sapa, you can do it obhohotatsya the situation with the authorities!

They are now on the authenticity of the documents Give!

But how will not steal?

Will!
And how will!

And the thieves themselves know that they take!

Do not become a thief to take fuflyaki?

K-Maler 27.08.2013 23:30

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Сообщение от Dogel; 2730641 "
representatives of the museum did not provide documents about the authenticity of paintings ,

In fact , some documents about these pictures , they should have at least the presence of them , inventory , etc. , inventory number , signature of custodian, something ...
Not just as they hung on the wall without any registration ...
It is not clear that they razumeli under the " authenticity" ...

Artem 05.09.2013 13:52

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 2732811)
​​Actually, some documents about these pictures , they should have at least the presence of them , inventory , etc. , inventory number , signature of custodian, something .. .
Not just as they hung on the wall without any registration ...
It is not clear that they razumeli under the " authenticity " ...

Dear K-Maler, very often it happens that museums do not have absolutely nothing ... In addition to the inventory numbers .... well , that image is saved ... so many people think that the museum and there is a full order , but it is not so!

Pecheneg 05.09.2013 14:27

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Сообщение от uriart; 2731301 "
obhohotatsya may be the situation with the authorities !
They are now on the authenticity of the documents Give !

Why obhohotatsya ... In the police must provide an expert report that the stolen painting is really Shishkin, and not a copy , and it is estimated as many hang - to.Ved a neat copy in museums and who but the museum staff know that they have hanging there .
As an example . Was in Kiev in the Gold Room in nimizmaticheskom hall and among the coins in the collection notice a copy of the ruble Alexis . To the question , " Why are among the originals - a copy ? " - I answered " no smotritelny The original and the copy looks impressive , it's how much time you have noticed a simple layman , it is not necessary , a coin and the coin , and does not understand in these coins is absolutely nothing to it , and yes it is not necessary .. .. "

Кирилл Сызранский 05.09.2013 14:38

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Сообщение от Pecheneg; 2746311 "
As an example . Was in Kiev in the Gold Room in nimizmaticheskom hall and among the coins in the collection notice a copy of the ruble Alexis . To the question , " Why are among the originals - a copy ? " - I answered " no smotritelny The original and the copy looks impressive , it's how much time you have noticed a simple layman , it is not necessary , a coin and the coin , and does not understand in these coins is absolutely nothing to it , and yes it is not necessary .. .. "

The museums are frequent copies /remakes /reconstruction /dummies , it is common practice .

Тихая Сапа 05.09.2013 18:56

Pecheneg ,

What and from whom the expert opinion may give the museum the investigation. While the picture is hung in the museum named no expert report was not necessary. And when it was stolen as the conclusion of a lack of things to do ? By blurred photo and blind registration card glubokosovetskoy pores ? Well, the same nonsense . There is a stolen item , it is necessary to search for anyone whatever it was . Locate and then the examination will be conducted according to which it is found : 1. what does that mean stolen. 2 . whether it is stated (because of the cost of the stolen depends term).

A statement that the thieves falshak not take, right in practice , from a legal point of view is not wealthy , the thief could rely on the fact that " bad lies ", not a painter , could be mistaken , etc. Simply put, " is not an argument ."

klimvor 05.09.2013 19:00

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 2730251)
Usual story!

Money for the protection of the no.
And the security guards to protect themselves ....

'62 Man, woman ....
.


Berdan rifle issued to her though?


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