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Antic 11-03-2009 05:17

Again Munkasky: alias Germasheva (Bubel)?
 
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Hello!
Is it possible that Germashev signed picture of "Ivan Munkasky"?
I am no expert, but the resemblance is obvious (the plot, style).
Please compare my picture with the work of "Winter Landscape" Bubel and (or) other:
http://artinvestment.ru/images/autho...186700_big.jpg
http://www.hurtebize.net/FullScreenZ...008T182359.jpg
You experts should be visible.
All scans are attached (stickers, signs, signature, craquelure).
Yours Andrew.

1. Author: Ivan Munkasky.
2. Materials and Techniques: Oil on canvas.
3. Size: 55 x 37 (canvas).
4. Established:??
5. Signed: Ivan Munkasky.
6. Status: in the photo.
7. Expert opinion: no.
8. Origin of the picture: the United States.

Allena 11-03-2009 11:03

Antic, and where information that a teacher Munkasky Germasheva? I think that the similarities in their works there. Most likely, IMHO, Munkasky - is a highly mutated, perhaps, a Polish surname. Apparently, some little-known Western European or American artist.

Кирилл Сызранский 11-03-2009 11:19

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Originally Posted by Antic (Post 259996)
"Ivan Munkasky"

In this family I see the root of Munkacs-Hungarian name Mukachevo-city in Transcarpathia.

Antic 11-03-2009 12:07

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Originally Posted by Allena (Post 260106)
Antic, and where information that a teacher Munkasky Germasheva? I think that the similarities in their works there. Most likely, IMHO, Munkasky - is a highly mutated, perhaps, a Polish surname. Apparently, some little-known Western European or American artist.

Information from:

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache...k & cd = 5

"Michail Markianovic GUERMACHEFF (russe 1867 - 1930)
Artist Biography:
This distinguished Russian artist was born near Moscow. He first studied art at the Ecole des Beaux Arts in St Petersburg and later with the master MUNKASKY. On exhibiting his pictures he had immediate success, and in 1910 a painting entitled "The First Snow" was purchased for the National Museum of Moscow (Tretiakov gallery). Guermacheff obtained the highest honours in the land and was appointed Court Painter to the Tzar. A number of his paintings are in imperial collections. At the outbreak of the Revolution, Guermacheff, owing to his close connections with the Court, was obliged to flee from Russia. He crossed the Polish frontier safely disguised as a Peasant. He subsequently continued on to Paris where he settled until his death. Guermacheff was gladly accepted by his French confreres as a distinguished foreign artist, and he has exhibited at the Salon, the Grand Palace and other exhibit "

It seems to me like the work - as if from different points of writing one and the same landscape.
And the signature - the style is different, and the brush and paint, as if one ...
The American, this is unlikely - the backdrop name "... in the Alps." A Germashev lived in France ...

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 260136)
In this family I see the root of Munkacs-Hungarian name Mukachevo-city in Transcarpathia.

This is clearly not Mihaly Lieb (Munkachi), although the names are similar - Munkascy ...
A Bubel, to Mukachevo, has no relevance? ... Or maybe were familiar with Michael? ... Be friends? ...

Allena 11-03-2009 12:43

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 260136)
In this family I see the root Munkacs

Very possibly! But again, you are correct, Cyril, said: root. The root of the East European, and only where the fate of the name then given up and how it fluctuated over the years, and what language is it so affected - this can only guess.

I believe that perceive this as a master of the Russian (or Polish) there is no reason. If you really Germashev knew him (I wonder where this gallery, these data taken ") or learned from him, it turns out that it was very briefly: Germashev traveled to France from Russia (until she left) twice: in 1911 and 1915. In some of these visits, they could get acquainted.

наследник 11-03-2009 12:49

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Originally Posted by Antic (Post 260186)
It seems to me like the work - as if from different points of writing one and the same landscape.

It should be added - and the house was rebuilt, and the wood burned, and the channel of the river changed, and the trees were transplanted ...:)
In my opinion, these are different works of different artists. And not only because of dissimilarities plinera.

Кирилл Сызранский 11-03-2009 13:01

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Originally Posted by Allena (Post 260286)
and only where the fate of the then abandoned the name and how it fluctuated over the years, and what language is it so affected - this can only guess.

I remember once Andy Warhol (born Andy Warhol, a pseudonym, real name - Andrew Warhol Slovak. Andrej Varchola, Eng. Andrew Warhola; August 6, 1928 - February 22, 1987). His parents moved from those places where some Mukachevo, incidentally.

Allena 11-03-2009 13:55

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 260376)
His parents had gone

In our case, rather than the parents, and great-grandparents:)

Кирилл Сызранский 11-03-2009 14:10

Allena, not understood ...
parents, Julia and Ondrej Warhol came from the village of Mikova the north-east of the former Czechoslovakia. They emigrated to America before the birth of Andy and his two older brothers. The family soon lost her father.

Allena 11-03-2009 14:15

Cyril Syzransky, under "our case" I mean Ivan Munkasky:))

Since Warhol's clear: parents' surname was transformed into English-speaking society.

But in our case, we, I think, is not the natural parents, and about some great-grandparent, I mean the ancestors of the mysterious Ivan Munkasky. On the other hand, the name suggests that not so long they were ... In any case, it is not a Russian artist.

Antic 11-03-2009 15:26

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Originally Posted by Allena (Post 260286)
Very possibly! But again, you are correct, Cyril, said: root. The root of the East European, and only where the fate of the name then given up and how it fluctuated over the years, and what language is it so affected - this can only guess.

I believe that perceive this as a master of the Russian (or Polish) there is no reason. If you really Germashev knew him (I wonder where this gallery, these data taken ") or learned from him, it turns out that it was very briefly: Germashev traveled to France from Russia (until she left) twice: in 1911 and 1915. In some of these visits, they could get acquainted.


I venture to remind you:
possible that Germashev used the pseudonym Munkasky (in 1911, in 1915, or 1920?).
And maybe who knows:
where did the binding Germashev - Munkasky at the said site?

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Originally Posted by heir (Post 260306)
It should be added - and the house was rebuilt, and the wood burned, and the channel of the river changed, and the trees were transplanted ...:)
In my opinion, these are different works of different artists. And not only because of dissimilarities plinera.


And the mountains have grown ...

Expert help, or your money away? ...

наследник 11-03-2009 16:02

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Originally Posted by Antic (Post 260646)
I venture to remind you:
possible that Germashev used the pseudonym Munkasky (in 1911, in 1915, or 1920 ?).

You run a wildly complicated issue. Think, and relatives have not responded to.

With regard to the alleged similarity of work, they are just the same as the spring in the Carpathians and the Alps.
Have a wonderful thing=why in some doubt?

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Originally Posted by Antic (Post 260646)
where did the binding Germashev - Munkasky at the said site?

Then the detective turns around every corner. :)

Allena 11-03-2009 16:08

Antic, first: try looking in the gallery, which published this binding. Perhaps they reported this Munkaskom something they know. Or maybe it's their local artists.
Second: the biography Pokopaytes Germasheva may have letters, some memoirs (not necessarily him, and, most likely, in French).
You bet challenge at the level of good artistic study:) I'm afraid that just because we can not solve it - here archive studies of smell, and even more - the necessity of digging in the provincial French museums.
Third: I understand that the network displays work Munkaskogo only on e-Bay. Look at them: if there is a date of creation stories, similar, in your opinion, with the subjects Germasheva then be able to more accurately determine the period in which the need to "dig": 1911-th, 1915 th and 1920. Can you contact the seller?
The strange thing is that, for example, Google, gives the minimum number of links. If somewhere in the memoirs of digitized mentioned, for example, that in any 25-th page of links desired information could find (I am faced with this). And such a void in the web - very doubtful ...
In short, pardon the repetition, the only more or less realistic way - to try to communicate with anyone who even mentions of this artist.

What task you put before the experts - Germashev or not? IMHO: money down the drain.


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