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Alex3030 29.05.2013 13:36

Sebastian Lucius
 
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Good day, dear friends!

I want to hear your opinion on the work of Sebastian Lucius.
Picture of 1890.
Capri.
Was on display in Berlin in 1898 and "took" the gold medal.
And, most importantly, there is a screensaver "Weather" on the channel culture.
"Murmansk"

Кирилл Сызранский 29.05.2013 14:03

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Capri.

this thing called Boys Swimming in Capri /Boys Bathing on Capri .

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I want to hear your opinion on the work of Sebastian Lucius

Good or not?
What's the question?

Alex3030 29.05.2013 18:16

Sebastian Lucius
 
As far as she is interesting in commercial terms?
Your opinion as experts in painting.
Judging by the above read topics.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.05.2013 18:30

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As far as it is of interest in commercial terms?

Buy and resell?
So?

But she's on the auction already bought for USD 12.500 incl.
all charges, commissions and taxes.


Or is it you have bought and are now interested in the opportunity to sell it in Russia?

Alex3030 29.05.2013 20:05

Sebastian Lucius
 
Dear Cyril!
Thank you, that opened my eyes to the price. You are a very competent and sensitive man . I suggest to buy this item . I'm ready, I'm buying on the wall. On the commercial side Your opinion:
How many interesting plot , performance, time of creation, preservation work. It's all affect the price and will be so to say, a growth driver .
If you, dear Cyril, this is a difficult question , I ask you, as an intelligent person , to refrain from comment.
One gets the feeling that I annoy you .

I hope for your understanding!

Кирилл Сызранский 29.05.2013 20:20

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It seems that I annoy you.

You oshuschenie wrong - you have no way radrazhaete, but from the comments I still refuse.

sergejnowo 29.05.2013 21:31

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I want to hear your opinion on the work of Sebastian Lucius.

work has already been on sale at the same auction in 2011, was not sold.
The fact that this time it was sold for a higher amount, to explain the nuances of not knowing and not seeing difficult.
I assume two factors.
- Work probably looks good - decorative.
- Went to Russia in the domestic market of Europe seems to me the sale price prohibitive.
The highest bidder does not explain the logic, the author is not known, the sale price was for a similar, but the size was many times more.
It's safe to say the amount of 9,375 euros on the European market in the next 20 years, this work will not bail out vozmozhno.
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was on display in Berlin in 1898 and "took" the gold medal.

In Berlin, in 1898, was a major exhibition of art.
In this exhibition, this author was represented by two works, but ... it is the work on display was not.
Of course the story of the gold medal sucked from the finger.
I enclose extract from the catalog.
The first work, Römisches Fries, second in the Annex, was sold at the same auction, the last year for the same amount of 9375 euros.
However, its size is 46 x 190 cm, and she really was on the show. The second work was called Damenbildniss, which means Portrait of a Woman, you obviously do not work presented.
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And, most importantly, there is a screensaver "Weather" on the canal culture. "Murmansk"

this is a serious argument, advertising the motor trade.

Alex3030 29.05.2013 23:21

Sebastian Lucius
 
And you can see the title page of the catalog?

sergejnowo 30.05.2013 07:32

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Сообщение от Alex3030 (Сообщение 2620521)
And you can see the title page of the catalog?

..........

Fed 30.05.2013 09:07

One of the most exciting topics in his drama , despite the deleted messages .
How many questions and caused a medal affect whether the German exhibition 19. on the value of the painting , what could be of interest in a German painter Russian buyer, he even supported the record price for the artist money is the most intriguing ;
Why Dorotheum disingenuous about the exhibition , as provenance , if it is so easy to open . And who did this expert or organizer ?

And the main question , whether there were still haggling for this item ?
For half a year Dorotheum threw 50 %in the evaluation of the unsold paintings .
Suddenly, a year and a half , he would have discounted it by 50 %.

sergejnowo 30.05.2013 10:43

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why Dorotheum disingenuous about the exhibition , as provenance

Dorotheum not disingenuous .
The description is in black and white was exposed ( as an artist ), on display in Berlin in 1898.
For the presence of this particular work at the exhibition , the auction is not claimed .

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And the main question , whether there were still haggling for this item ?

Purely philosophically , I want to note that especially in the beginning , obviously inexperienced buyers overpay by buying at auctions in Europe.
For example this case. The expected price of 8.000 - 12.000 euro , black on white paper and electronic catalog .
In fact, in the hall, bidding starts from 6,000 euros, usually minus 30 %.
If the buyer is not aware of this , makes an application for purchase through the Internet or by fax , it is natural to write a minimum of 8,000 euros.
That is, the minimum, which is in the directory. If the room or even wanting to buy more work was not, of course auction to sell the work of " extramural student " for 8,000 euros.
In this case , specifically , the purchase price with no overhead , it seems was 7,500 euros.

Alex3030 30.05.2013 10:43

Sebastian Lucius
 
Thank you for the informative and well-argued responses. Once again, convinced a high level of professionalism and knowledge of the subject forum regulars .
Frankly, flattered by such attention to their humble person .
Rastroen provenance , but I think that this error will be resolved. In contrast to the Russian works from the Western provenance can be traced . The probability of "hitting " the clutches of your colleagues , to put it mildly , not very honest work , is small enough.

And yet , leave the ranting and gloating about the purchase. I have not decided . Price is fine with me . I asked about the quality of the work , the plot, composite construction , as far as everything is good , or, as I recently suggested to sketch , a rare deformity , Russian artist for a price three times higher than this . And they said that this is a great artist and his work , but also those to the country to hang , to scare the thieves will always cost money .

Yes, someone from Hamburg, a special thank you .

Quotes do not know how to invest , and that would put
...........

I liked it) ) )

Кирилл Сызранский 30.05.2013 11:23

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despite the deleted messages.

There's something removed?

Fed 30.05.2013 11:24

Someone stole the night.

Grigory 30.05.2013 11:33

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Something was removed?

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