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Rid_Streenger 05.04.2013 12:51

Portrait of a castle wall for identification
 
Вложений: 6
The picture in the frame.

Prehistory - imported from Germany in the 45m.

Withdrawn from the wall, which then lock :)>

state can be seen from the photos.

Questions:

Assume the date of writing, the country technique.

Likelihood of restoration and sales.

sergejnowo 05.04.2013 13:43

Rid_Streenger, optical , frame 30's of last century.
The work itself is probably the last quarter of the 19th century.
As n /x work is not commercial, in Germany, after the restoration and a beautiful selection of frames, you can ask 200 - 600 euros.
Who can and will buy.
By the way, saying " the castle " in Germany is for a negative flavor.
For many reasons, the castles in the 19- 20th centuries, expensive and quality of painting is not hanging .

Rid_Streenger 05.04.2013 13:45

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 2540471)
Rid_Streenger

By the way, saying "the castle" in Germany is for a negative flavor.

For many reasons, the castles in the 19-20th centuries, expensive and quality of painting is not hanging.


Well, I sense a lie ..
I received a picture of prehistory and showed.

Wladzislaw 05.04.2013 15:08

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 2540471)
For many reasons, the castles in the 19-20th centuries, expensive and quality of painting is not hanging.


Well ... Why so generalize?
:)>

sergejnowo 05.04.2013 18:03

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw; 2540651"
Why so generalize?

I'll explain, and I think that nothing new to say.
Beside the fact that the times were not so, I exaggerate, white come, rob, red come, rob, there were many other reasons.
There were so many "waves" plundering the political and military reasons, just statistically, there was nothing left.
 Those locks that are in the cities, this time turned into a museum or something like that.
They are all things written and known.
Castles in the country, more of them are out of fashion as the housing for the whole year - went to the status of summer residences.
Antiques are usually removed.
Locks had not drowned, some still do not heat, which is not ideal for painting and furniture.
From the mid 19th century, the beginning of industrialization in Europe, became more bucks from the capitalists, owners of factories, newspapers, steamships, tenants locks with blue krovushki poorer and stopped ordering their portraits in fashionable and expensive. Been to the sale of assets such locks, - painting level "splint."
In general, there are a lot of things ....
Therefore, the concept of "the castle" in Germany is similar in meaning to Russian: inherited from her great-grandmother, 100 years in the family, at one point hung :D>

Борис Кон 05.04.2013 18:26

"The picture of the castle" - it sounds like a classic: "Ten chairs from the palace!"

Unfair but pathetic.

Jane Doe 05.04.2013 18:28

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Сообщение от sergejnowo; 2540991"
There were so many "waves" plundering the political and military reasons , just statistically, there was nothing left .

This portrait , as I understand it , is precisely the subject razdobytym during another robbery , which shared with us by topic.
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Сообщение от Rid_Streenger; 2540341 ​​"
imported from Germany in the 45m.
Withdrawn from the wall of the castle which is

Anyway, after ( another robbery) , the castle was gone , and this ( portrait) :o>

Wladzislaw 06.04.2013 00:53

sergejnowo,


thank you for your detailed response.
In general, all methodologically correct.
But the details :)> I disagree with you.
Most decent painting has always been concentrated in the hands of the nobility, in Germany, in Russia, in Belarus.

Владимир Владимирович 06.04.2013 14:42

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Сообщение от Jane Doe (Сообщение 2541091)
in the castle and it was not

Any big house, in which lived the German official in the suburbs, a young officer sovetskomu could seem a little castle.
Or grandchildren preukrasili story, something to sell more expensive.
:)>

раскатов 06.04.2013 14:54

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Сообщение от Rid_Streenger (Сообщение 2540341)

Questions:

Assume the date of writing, the country technique.

Likelihood of restoration and sales.

Look for signature.
And you have the back of the photo.

Interesting character.
Most likely it is France or Holland.

Rid_Streenger 07.04.2013 23:52

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Сообщение от peals (Сообщение 2541761)
Look for a signature. And you have the back of the photo .
Interesting character. Most likely it is France or the Netherlands .

 The first attempt to look at , including the actual flooding.
I spoke to a person familiar with the history of costume, lady nearly broke my head trying to identify the country .
In effect only for this and started searching for information . and on the reverse side of the empty canvas stretched on wooden slats , and so was inserted into the frame.

would also like to comment popovodu damage ( we'll see weaving canvas , soil , paint)

Кирилл Сызранский 08.04.2013 01:01

Rid_Streenger, you already scared and answer - the answer anything, but for you it will be a flood.


That's what you do: because
You live in St. Petersburg, the Hermitage carry the portrait, there is no flooding, everything will tell you - and about the damage, and about weaving the canvas, and about the ground, and about the paint.

Rid_Streenger 08.04.2013 07:23

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2544241)
Rid_Streenger, you already scared and answer - the answer anything, but for you it will be a flood.

That's what you do: because You live in St. Petersburg , demolishing a minute that you are a portrait of the Hermitage, there is no flooding , everything will tell you - and about the damage , and about weaving the canvas , and about the ground , and about the paint .

Angry but what is true.
 :)>
Sorry. it seemed to me that there are other than blabla mesadzhi and fittings .
As for the Hermitage so they'll want the money no matter the cost of the result. :)>
would be a shame to pay $ 200-300 for a picture worth 150

Дилетант 08.04.2013 07:51

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Сообщение от Rid_Streenger; 2544051"
and on the reverse side of the empty canvas stretched on wooden slats , and so was inserted into the frame .

Yes, actually, no one expected to see there , for example, hoop ...
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Сообщение от Rid_Streenger; 2544391"
would be a shame to pay $ 200-300 for a picture worth 150

And so we have something like a shame! Not only is the brain endure, so more and snapping ...
No, you - definitely in the Hermitage! So there is something for " 200 - $ 300 " (and that, in the Hermitage is really so cheap examination? ) You are , I suppose, and pokapriznichat , and tell a story about the provenance , and about human callousness ... :D> :D> :D>
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Сообщение от Rid_Streenger; 2544051"
I spoke to a person familiar with the history of costume, lady nearly broke my head trying to determine the country

Here's a riddle : why in the event of health problems , most citizens still refers to the doctors , not the people, " familiar" with the names of surgical instruments ?

Us-tin 08.04.2013 08:36

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Christian Wilhelm Ernst Dietrich ...


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