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Kaffsky 15.03.2013 14:20

His name is Francis. Who is he, the new Pope?
 
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Catholic world got a new Pope , who became
 76- year-old archbishop of Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

first for more than 1200 years old pontiff is not from Europe!

first Pope Jesuit ....

first " vicar of God on earth" , who took the still
Never used the name of the Popes -Francis.

Whether it is the name taken in honor of St. Francis of Assisi (1182-1226), known for its
virtues, either in memory of St. Francis Xavier (1506-1552), co-founder of the Jesuits ,
 Refer to the Christian more people than the North. Peter ...

They say that the new Pope Francis is far from any pomposity , at home is modest and strict with himself.

And even prefers to "work " to get on the subway ...

Who is it, the new pope , Francis ? ...

Кирилл Сызранский 15.03.2013 22:36

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The new pope.

zarajara 16.03.2013 00:42

That's interesting.
Do you think, then, that the pope from Latin America, this is a gesture in the direction of, or so?

I think it's like the Nobel Prize, "Now all of Africa for a great writer" :D>

Кирилл Сызранский 16.03.2013 01:12

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What do you think , then, that the pope from Latin America, this is a gesture in that direction , or it happened ?

And what of today in Latin America that the other side needs some gestures ? Multi-million sheep ?
Still, Jorge Mario Bergoglio ethnic Italian , in this version, and " wolves are fed and the sheep are safe ". :D>

sdk321 16.03.2013 10:04

Good article. In my opinion the answer to these questions.

World met with Pope Francis.
Helping the poor was to Cardinal Bergoglio life, but will he be able to reform the Church? "We were impressed by the absolute simplicity and deeply spiritual man who lives according to the Gospel," - says the party conclave. In matters of sexual morality, abortion and contraception are big changes under Francis not expect the Vatican expert says, noting that attitudes toward homosexuality Bergoglio "generally horrible."

The election of Jorge Mario Bergoglio was such a surprise that the Italian bishops initially sent to the wrong greeting to Cardinal, reports The New York Times. So why do Bergoglio won? "One reason is that the Vatican cardinals that protect its bureaucracy, rejected the alleged favorite - Cardinal Angelo Scola, who favored the reformers," - says the newspaper.

In these conditions, the candidature of many Latin American Jesuit arranged: piety and modesty combined it with the skills and experience of the administrator. Bergoglio supported and those who desire to eliminate the recent problems with corruption and chaos in the Roman Curia. But it is unclear whether Francis meet these expectations and how he succeeds, said the reporter.

It is interesting that at the last conclave in 2005, Bergoglio finished second to Ratzinger. "It is said that during the lunch break Bergoglio Ratzinger gave their votes and that soon was elected pope under the name of Benedict XVI. Some say Bergoglio not want to become pope, others - that he knew he had no chance of winning," - says the article . According to the unwritten rule that the one who took the second place, can not be subsequently elected to the papacy, but perhaps renunciation Benedict changed this approach, the author writes.

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The surprise was the age and the new pontiff: Bergoglio to 76, many of the cardinals thought needed someone younger. However, according to some reports, the reformers believed that due to their age Bergoglio hurry to take action, and the Cardinals, which suits the present situation, however, hoped that there was little he has time, the article says.

The Catholic world was surprised by Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio is believed the majority of commentators, too old for the papacy, especially given the fact that Pope Benedict XVI denied, citing old age, writes Michael Sean Winters, in an article for The New Republic.

Then there was another reason to wonder: Bergoglio was the first Pope, who chose the name of the favorite saint of Catholics - Francis. "Choosing a name may be the key to understanding how it is going to lead the 1.2 billion Catholics in the world" - suggests the author.


"In the U.S. Catholics live in an affluent society and have lost the ability to hear the main message of the Holy Scripture: The Gospel - good news for the poor" - the author writes, recalling that "in Latin America, millions of Catholics go to bed hungry and live in the slums."


Bergoglio and other Latin American bishops persistently criticized those who implement policies that ignored the poor. In this regard, he continues the work of Pope Benedict, whose criticism of contemporary capitalism are never in the headlines, but, nonetheless, has taken place, indicating Winters.

The reports from Rome on the eve of the conclave said that the Cardinals want reform in the church. This does not mean that the Cardinals are looking for, who would change the Church's teaching on the attitude to gay marriage, abortion, and contraception. This meant that they wanted someone to eliminate corruption and moral decline that hit the Vatican in recent years, the article said.

To identify with the poor - is a mission, but in the end, the Vatican - this ministry, and the Pope, Francis has just become the most important minister in the world, the author concludes.

"First Latin American pope received mixed reactions in the region of jubilation and sarcastic comments to serious questions about his links with the former Argentinean dictatorship and its relation to same-sex unions, which received approval in recent years in several Latin American countries," - says The Christian Science Monitor .

Pablo Hiriart, publisher Mexican newspaper La Razón, writes: "In the Cathedral of St. Peter's historic shift occurred: the geographical center of Catholicism has shifted. European Catholic Church with the current leaving the service, the looting scandals and pedophilia (...) gave way under the pressure of geography. Asia , America and Africa - a powerful reserve of Catholicism and the papacy moved there, symbolically left in Rome. Catholic Church yesterday in the beginning of XXI century ".

Residents of Argentina said: "We can be proud that the Pope - of our land, our country is represented at this level. Now the church will remember us." However, other Latin Americans believe that the Argentines are now extremely proud of his "chosen people," the author notes.

In an interview with the Austrian Der Standard edition of the famous expert on the Catholic Church Hubert Fayhtlbauer commented with a dubious past, and the Pope have, what changes to expect after his enthronement.


"I was very surprised when I learned that the new pope - Latino, with no candidate from Brazil, so beloved by the Curia, and the Argentine, and even with a dark spot in the biography," - said the expert.

As for the Pope's controversial past (Bergoglio is known, is accused of conspiring with the Argentine junta, to kidnap two Jesuit priests), then expert advises not to jump to conclusions: "The whole story is too complicated." Bergoglio himself denies that he gave the priests. "I think that this topic has been discussed in the conclave and was able to persuade Bergoglio Cardinals unfounded accusations", - the expert on the Vatican. True, it is possible Fayhtlbauer adds that he regretted his actions.


New Pope can not avoid fundamental reform of the Curia, what he would have to rely on the assistance of experienced colleagues in administrative affairs. Of course, he will need and new people. It is quite possible that the pope will rule to constantly consult with the church functionaries from all over. "Such a large-scale reform of the Curia would lead automatically to a certain decentralization of power and the Pope would have changed a lot in the Catholic world," - said Fayhtlbauer.


"But in ideological terms - in matters of sexual morality, abortion and contraception - any major change under Francis should not be expected," - said the expert, noting that attitudes toward homosexuality Bergoglio "generally horrible." Although, he said, there is evidence of his biography that to homosexuals by the new Pope is not so intolerable as to the phenomenon.

Adolfo Perez Esquivel, Nobel Peace Prize in 1980, came out strongly in defense of the new Pope, reports El Mundo. "Some bishops were accomplices of the dictatorship, but Bergoglio - no," - he said. "They say that when he was the head Bergoglio Jesuit congregation did too little to rescue from prison two priests. But I know from personal experience: many bishops asked the junta to release the prisoners, and priests, but were refused."

Nobel winner hopes that now Bergoglio "courage to protect the interests of the people against the powerful people, not repeating terrible mistakes, and past sins of the Church."

Paolo Rodari correspondent Italian La Repubblica, the Rome diocese interviewed Cardinal Vicar Agostino Vallini, party conclave. Why the Pope is Jorge Bergoglio? Vallini said: "We appreciate the determination of the condemnation of sin and misconduct, as well as love for the young, the poor and the most disadvantaged in the world. Church is alive."


"We were impressed by the absolute simplicity and deeply spiritual man who feels the love of God and man, and live the gospel. He wants to serve the Church in accordance with the expectations of the time. Pope Francis emphasized that a person requires a high spirituality, and so I'm sure that He will fulfill the expectations, "- said the vicar.


What was in the Sistine Chapel immediately after the election? "After the election of the new Pope, we were in the excitement, we were touched, - said Vallini. - I would say that he was shocked looks less all - he relied on the mercy of the Lord. Then, when he accepted the mandate to the entire College of Cardinals, all of us prayed for him, because the Pope not be easy. "


"He will feel the closeness to all people, for the Church - a home for all. Poor and poor feel that they understand and love," - says the vicar.

Another material called La Repubblica: "He told me:" Or I'll marry you, or become a priest. "

"May the Holy Mother of God will judge me if I lie to," - says Amalia Damonte, the first woman, which the Pope gave Francis his love for more than 60 years ago when they both lived in the neighborhood of Flores. "I'll marry you and for us to build this house," - he said, drawing a house in a letter he sent to Amalia as proof of his love.

Is Bergoglio said that if he did not marry her, it will become a priest? Amalia said, "Yes, I asked him not to play with me, because my parents punished me every time, if they saw with him. Jorge became angry and told me that if he can not marry me, will choose the fate of the priest. We then it was on for 11 years. We were too small. "
Taken: http://www.inopressa.ru/article/15Ma...e/pope_15.html

iside 16.03.2013 11:47

As we sat watching TV and waiting for the new Pope appeared on the balcony , I drew attention to the fact that all these thousands of tourists to the area, who have come from all over the world to witness this moment , it could spend that money on something to feed the poor , well, or something else to help the needy in the Christian style.

Here's what happens next . Francis Pope appears , journalists vying for all channels start to tell his biography (I just checked our channels were silent ), and interesting moments in life and say , in particular , of such a few years ago , when Jorge Mario Bergoglio had to go to the Vatican for what something special and important meeting of cardinals , in Argentina, organized to raise money for those believers who also wanted to go to the Vatican , as a group of moral support , something like that. But once Bergoglio learned of this, he forbade anyone to go, and the money made ​​to distribute the poor and needy .

Here's a he this Pope Francis.

Кирилл Сызранский 16.03.2013 11:58

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could well spend the money on something to feed the poor, well, or something else to help the needy in the Christian style.

So, now all the houses sit, and saved money to distribute to the poor and needy?
:)>

Posav 16.03.2013 12:26

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( I just checked our channels are silent )

What is "our "? Quite the contrary , even online RTR showed a pipe on a tiled roof as if it is a country of Catholics. And here we have exactly the silence was like a sneeze all there in the Vatican was sluggish shown in the news and FSE.
In general, the shift in favor of the Franciscans very positive. Although, like , the Franciscans of the Catholic Church as a sort of aloof and minority . They have a lot of "work" with the youth , they know how much to smile, kakby explain that faith is a thrill and pleasure and their brown upholstered look glamorous by Hollywood for young people ... Girls for such monks run in packs, stick like flies. I am personally pleased with these changes. Maybe in the next partiarh Russia will " skromnyaga ." We have a 90- church was also in power, built churches by the state. In Russia the same thing , but as always with a delay of 15-20 years.

iside 16.03.2013 12:34

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So, now all the houses sit, and saved money to distribute to the poor and needy?


Cyril Syzran, yes, stay home, sometimes go to exhibitions and buy art.
This is also a form of assistance to the poor and needy artists.
:)>

Кирилл Сызранский 16.03.2013 12:38

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could well spend the money on something to feed the poor, well, or something else to help the needy in the Christian style.


Posav 16.03.2013 12:42

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Cyril Syzran, yes, stay home , sometimes go to exhibitions and buy art. This is also a form of assistance to the poor and needy artists. :)>

Well, if a straight line from the hands of the artist, then yes. And that in fact 60%of the art dealer get.

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In Russia, if Partiarh will go without the protection of the old Zaporozhets , it at once or a heathen busurmane what ubyut immediately .
Also compare the wealth of Vatican and limo and a few jeeps , the residence of the Patriarch. Calculator to help you.

Kaffsky 16.03.2013 13:21

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In Russia, if Partiarh will go without the protection of the old Zaporozhets , it at once or a heathen busurmane what ubyut immediately .
Also compare the wealth of Vatican and limo and a few jeeps , the residence of the Patriarch. Calculator to help you .

Yes, of course , boast limousines and all sorts of trinkets , it is only by great poverty ... :)>

And it is not necessarily the old " Zarubezhtse " possible and on the subway ...

 In Moscow metro rasprekrasno won both runs without any " plugs " moves the working people of the point on to the point Hu ... :)>

sdk321 16.03.2013 13:38

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His Holiness Patriarch Pavle of Serbia (in the world - Stoychevich Gojko).
He died in 2009.
Stories in the internet about it mnogo.Vot four of them:
Good shoes
Ms. Jana Todorovic told me a story that happened to her sister. That somehow got an appointment with the patriarch on some business. In discussing the case, she accidentally looked at the feet of the patriarch and was horrified at the sight of his shoes - they were old, once torn, and then darned boots. The woman thought, "What a shame for us Serbs that our Patriarch has to go in such rags, surely no one could give him a new footwear?" Patriarch immediately happily said, "See what I have good shoes? I found them near the urn, when he went to the Patriarchate. Someone threw, but it's real leather. I hemmed them a bit - and that's a long time they will be able to to serve. "

"I went to bed later"
With the same shoes linked another story. A woman came to the Patriarchate, demanding to speak with the patriarch on urgent business, which she can only say to him personally. Such a request was unusual and it is not immediately admitted, but still persistent visitor bore fruit, and the audience took place. Seeing the patriarch, she said with great excitement that night she dreamed of the Virgin, which was told to bring the Patriarch of money so he could buy a new pair of shoes. And with that, the visitor handed an envelope with money. Patriarch Pavle, not taking an envelope, gently asked: "And what time did you go to sleep?" The woman, surprised, replied, "Well ... about eleven." "You know, I went to later, about four in the morning" - meets Patriarch, - "And I, too, dreamed of the Virgin and asked me to tell you that you took the money and gave to those who need them." And do not take the money.

Commandment nestyazhatelstvo
One day, coming to the building of the Patriarchate, St. Paul noticed a lot of standing in front of cars, and asked whose car it is. He was told that this car bishops. On the patriarch said with a smile, "If they knew about the Savior's commandment nestyazhatelstvo have such machines, the same machines which they would have if this command is not it?"

Justice
One day the Patriarch flew somewhere to visit on the plane. When they flew over the sea, the plane hit the turbulence, and began to shake. A young bishop, who was sitting next to the Patriarch, asked what he thought about if the plane going to fall. St. Paul said calmly: "For myself, I apprehend it as an act of justice, for in my life, I ate so much fish, which is not surprising, if now they will eat me."

But as he moved:

Кирилл Сызранский 16.03.2013 14:41

Won it as ...
 
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The head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, Patriarch Sviatoslav (Shevchuk) told RICE correspondent of the newly elected bishops of Rome Francis I. According to him, the Pope is well aware of the situation of the UGCC, he was a disciple of. Stephen Chmil and even served to student during the Liturgy.

As Bishops in Argentina, Patriarch Sviatoslav had the opportunity to become better acquainted with the Cardinal Bergoglio, who was his Ordinary, and believes that this Pope UGCC has a good future. He describes Francis I as a humble man and at the same time profound intellectual.

"The newly elected Pope is a graduate of Francis I Stephen Chmil our priest, who is now buried in the Basilica of St. Sofia to Rome. The current pope, and then a student Salesian school, every day early in the morning, yet all the kids were asleep, waited on. Chmil during the service of God. He knows our ceremony and even remembers our Liturgy. The last time I visited him when saying goodbye to Argentina, leaving the Ukraine, and asked him to give his testimony for the Cause for Beatification of. Stephen Chmil, which he readily agreed. Thus, the Holy Father knows very well about our church, and our liturgy and ritual, our duhovisti.

In addition, the Pope, Francis I, while still Archbishop of Buenos Aires, was the Ordinary of the Eastern Catholics, especially those who have not had their hierarchy. And our diocese in Argentina - sufragannaya Archbishopric of Buenos Aires. Thus, Cardinal Bergoglio always had the care of our church in Argentina, and I, when he was a young bishop, took its first steps in this ministry under his supervision and with his help. So I think we're really going to have to face the fact of the Holy Father, who will take care of our Church. And I hope that the fact we are waiting for the Pope very good things in the future.

If we talk about the actual identity of the new pope, it - extremely modest man. For example, in Buenos Aires, he never used his car, always went by public transport, always modestly dressed. And distinguished by the fact that most would care for the poor, he was the one who went to the people in the slums and in general was facing pastoral warehouse.

As a Jesuit, Father Francis I is a very deep intellectual. And I think that his sermons were usually very short, sometimes consisted of just five or six sentences, but in them he said so much, that after his short speech always a long silence reigned for nearly five to seven minutes for that on this word could reflect deeply.

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Kaffsky 16.03.2013 16:05

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head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, Patriarch Sviatoslav (Shevchuk) told correspondent RICE
 of the newly elected bishops of Rome Francis I. According to him , Pope is well aware of the situation of the UGCC
 he was pupil about. Stephen Chmil and even served to student during the Liturgy.

Because the new Pope Francis among Ukrainian colleagues
is almost his own, right from the Ukrainian grekokatolikov have hope,
 that they will get patriarchate.

Former head UKGTS Cardinal Lubomir Husar said:

" The question of recognition of the UGCC Patriarchate constantly sounds from the time of John Paul II.
 But this is not a requirement, it is a process of construction of patriarchy, which has resulted in the growth of our church.
The new pope knows and understands the processes taking place in Ukraine ".
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