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dvukolov 12.03.2013 15:24

"The Ninth Wave", a copy of M.Tkachenko (1860-1916)
 
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Dear experts !

Please help me give a rough estimate of a copy of " ninth wave ", performed by Mikhail Tkachenko (signed on the reverse side of the picture ) somewhere in the second half of the 19th century. The size of the visible canvas 86x64 cm I would be grateful to anyone, let yourself approximate range. Thank you!

John Preston 12.03.2013 15:25

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Сообщение от dvukolov (Сообщение 2496361)
Dear experts!


Please help me give a rough estimate of a copy of "ninth wave", performed by Mikhail Tkachenko (signed on the reverse side of the picture) somewhere in the second half of the 19th century.


Apparently, we are talking about the second half of the 20th century ...
:confused:>

vyadem 12.03.2013 16:52

dvukolov, show the opposite direction to start a label.

soveticus 12.03.2013 17:53

Tkachenko Mikhail Stepanovich (1860-1916) - a good seascape painter.
If your copy of it will work, then the price of it - $ 5000 - $ 7000, in my opinion.
Do, please, a good photograph and signature backdrop.

K-Maler 12.03.2013 19:57

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Tkachenko Mikhail Stepanovich (1860-1916) - a good seascape painter . If your copy of it will work, then the price of it - $ 5000 - $ 7000 , in my opinion. Do, please, a good photograph and signature backdrop.


You read that right zero ? This copy is much more. It is good in the photo , I think, blue bent.

soveticus 12.03.2013 21:31

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You can not make a mistake by zero ? This copy is worth much more .

Original works of the artist are in this size galleries for $ 30,000 - $ 40,000 ! How many times is cheaper to cost a copy of the famous work ? - At 2-3. Ie the gallery would sell it for $ 15 thousand . The real price - half . COPY COPY is !

dvukolov 13.03.2013 11:53

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Put my pictures back of the picture.
Is it like the original work Tkachenko?
Thank you!

soveticus 13.03.2013 19:10

Similar.
It looks convincing.
And a cool frame.
You have to do the paper.

Кирилл Сызранский 13.03.2013 19:29

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Similar. It looks convincing.

And that I'm sorry?
The reverse side of the canvas looks like a picture " the second half of the 19th century "?

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You have to do the paper.

Maybe not, but I would not become the owner hopes up like this:
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Сообщение от soveticus; 2496671"
If your copy will be his job, then the price of it - $ 5000 - 7000 $

 If it's even a copy of the Tkachenko (which never fact), then, in my opinion, will be far from easy to find what you purchase it and for two thousand dollars.

soveticus 13.03.2013 20:09

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If it's even a copy of the Tkachenko (which is never a fact), then, in my opinion, is not so easy to find what you purchase it and for two thousand dollars.

I'll buy a $ 3000 :)>
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The reverse side of the canvas looks like a picture of the "second half of the 19th century "?

If the picture was pasted over the back all the time , why not?
However, could now sign the back , not out.

Added after 3 minutes
If clockwork was signed, and can be used without the expertise was necessary.

Кирилл Сызранский 13.03.2013 20:15

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Original works of the artist are in this size galleries to 30.000 $ - 40.000 $!

I do not know what's in Moscow galleries (and, incidentally, in which now sell things Tkachenko?), But the gallery's price, as my experience suggests, is not the real price of the subject. But promotional drifts just can show the real value of the artist's works to date.
What we are shown auctions?
44 auction records (3 graphics and 41 paintings) and the most expensive work Tkachenko " Imperial yacht" Alexandria "and escort destroyers in the Gulf ", sold 05/24/2008, the auction house for Kabinet million 500 thousand rubles (it is 55 thousand dollars).
But! This work was exhibited in 2003 at the exhibition of works of Russian marine painter XIX-XX Centuries from private collections "Our Sea" and reproduced in the exhibition catalog on page 62.
And she has razmerchik 24,5 x137, 5 and
But Corners though, and presented many papers Tkachenko, sold very little.
Sale Tkachenko at Bukowskis (for 31 580 USD in 2008) and Sotheby's (for 34 785 USD in 2004), I think it does for today's local pricing is not affected.

Дилетант 13.03.2013 20:20

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You have to do the paper.

Epigraph. "Renounce crow peck shit."
Stopisyat once promised myself not to comment publicly like crap. Yet, yet, yet ...
Do a paper on nonsense can only be one motivation - the maximum pump your calf muscles, running in search of an expert at all so insane. Because no adequate, of sound mind specialist, who saw in his life at least a couple of authentic works Tkachev, this was not confirmed. Could b bet other people's money so sorry (As my grandmother, God rest her soul, "of the two contending always the same - a fool, and the other - a scoundrel." Scoundrel hotechetsya not branded. Why am stranger bread and then beat the ... )
This monstrous opus is not that the examination - in Tsaritsyno tickets :D> bear shame. I will not post pictures - time sorry. Neither the album nor the museum catalogs, to my knowledge, no one has been canceled. And iternete like works yet. This is - as regards the probable (more precisely - is incredible) authorship Tkachenko.
Well, paranoid delusions about "Pinched" blue canvas of the XIX century, the signature on the back of it, as well as tyschimulenov which should cost this unearthly beauty - even reluctant to comment. And not to face, and beyond her years.
Left. I promise not to show up until further discussion of such daub. Regards to all, to refrain from encouraging the owner of posts (and deep pity for-malaria), yours truly amateurs.

soveticus 13.03.2013 20:21

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If it's even a copy of Tkachenko

Agree with this. Tkachenkinoy hands are not visible. But then a copy of the Aiwaz , maybe he was trying his style navayal ? .. Although the level of copy, in general , weak.
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It is good , in the picture , I think, blue pinched

It may , however, unfortunate photo ?

Борис Кон 13.03.2013 20:31

Ah, the client trehtysyachnik broke.

Scared ...

soveticus 13.03.2013 20:36

Dear amateurs ! I never claimed it Tkachenko !
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If your copy will be his job, then the price of it - $ 5000 - $ 7000 , in my opinion .

It was just about the price. A will expertise - will money ! :)>
Sincerely.

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Ah , the client trehtysyachnik broke.
Scared ...

Nah, I was "on the hook "! :)>


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