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mir 06.02.2013 21:14

Frugal Tips!
 
Attention!
Gentlemen, collectors and art dealers.
After reading the post. ---- "What would it rub?" ---- Decided to write.


If you got the dust and dirt rabota.Pered how to do something with the picture (rub onions, potatoes, fruit juice, wash acids and alkalis), think about the consequences and decide how you treasured this thing, on which you will be spending exhumation.
If you do decide and fully believe in the book of the 19th century for housewives Set a recipe for "revival" of the old cloth, my humble advice, start with a small sample locations (preferably at the edge of, but not where the signature).

       But seriously, if you've already decided to do yourself, you need to be extremely careful. Anyone, even the most harmless way (water) can cause great damage to your work.
The fact that 99%of you do not know what work is covered (the composition of varnish, etc.), and not even always, the written.
 It is very possible that you do not paint vodorastvorimaya.Uveryayu every professional distinguish oil from a temperature, but can be a complex combination of different binders.
Good chance that the water may become cloudy lacquer film.
Using vodka, alcohol, pinene, acetone, etc. The probability razmolozheniya lacquer film, its partial removal (in texture painting), rinse lessirovok, remove the patina, etc.
 All options are processed in small, small parts, and only after that can be a very neat work on all fabric.

Дилетант 06.02.2013 21:51

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Сообщение от mir; 2454731"
in the book of the 19th century for housewives Set a recipe for "recovery "

Absolutely true! "Gold, gold - a popular word ."
Step one . Cut onion , and while no one is looking - it halves to wipe the dirty surface mama pictures.
Step two . Boiling water to dissolve the powder badyagi (drugs made ​​from the same water sponge ), and carefully cover up all the bruises and abrasions. Evening left a compress on the damaged areas - in the morning should be a little one half opened eyes ...

Балагур 19.02.2013 19:27

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Сообщение от mir (Сообщение 2454731)
Attention!
Gentlemen, collectors and art dealers.
After reading the post. ---- " What would it rub ? " ---- Decided to write.


If you got the dust and dirt rabota.Pered how to do something with the picture ( rub onions, potatoes, fruit juice , wash acids and alkalis ), think about the consequences and decide how you treasured this thing , on which you will be spending exhumation.

I am sure that the this forum can not find people who are capable of that. They , at least , will not want to ruin your investment. IMHO.

NATA NOVA 19.02.2013 19:44

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Сообщение от Balagur (Сообщение 2471881)
I'm sure that this forum will not find people who can do that

"Oh, how you prepare wonderful discoveries enlightened age .."

Дилетант 19.02.2013 19:49

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 2471911)
Oh, how you prepare wonderful discoveries enlightened age .. "

Yeah.
And the spirit - even more ...
:)>

mir 19.02.2013 22:13

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Сообщение от Balagur (Сообщение 2471881)
I am sure that this forum can not find people who are capable of that.
IMHO.

And as you stick a picture on the canvas, stationery glue, face to the glass ..... Working without stretcher dumped ...
:shy:>

NATA NOVA 20.02.2013 01:20

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Сообщение от mir (Сообщение 2471961)
And as you stick a picture on the canvas, stationery glue, face to the glass ..... Working without stretcher dumped ...

This is exactly the case when "hi pass is not necessary" .... (already)

Балагур 20.02.2013 07:52

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Сообщение от mir (Сообщение 2471961)
And as you stick a picture on the canvas, stationery glue, face to the glass ..... Working without stretcher dumped ...
:shy:>

Little did perverts in the world?
:D>

Pecheneg 21.02.2013 13:56

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Сообщение от mir; 2471961"
And as you stick a picture on a canvas,
stationery glue, face to the glass .....

I was surprised ... I'm not surprised at anything this one .. "collector "
saw the ax of the Bronze Age , coupled with the Scythian nazhdachkoy polished tips ... The question " Why? ? " "What would have been prettier , and then some green ..."
It is a centuries-old patina on the artifacts ..

NATA NOVA 21.02.2013 21:36

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saw the ax of the Bronze Age , coupled with the Scythian nazhdachkoy polished tips ... The question " Why? ? " "What would have been prettier , and even some green .

Pecheneg, it is necessary to warn (which is not for the faint of heart) , and then on your sshoobscheniya valerian not napasessya ...
I lie almost breathless ... " nuplyavasche " (C)

Pecheneg 21.02.2013 22:49

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA; 2474151"
your sshoobscheniya valerian napasessya not ...

I have a couple of bushes in the garden grow , share ... :)>
And as a follow-up to skazannomu.Moe one of the favorite places in the city, an outdoor museum Pedagogical University, where collected Arrivals Polovtsian stone idols , stone bab.Posledny time was in the spring of last year, and today decided to visit the "stone of friends" and was in shock . From the time the stones were covered with dust in places overgrown with moss .. Well, in general, have an ancient, picturesque, pleasant look. So they decided to clean up and put in the appropriate form , clean, like new now ... Maybe I do not understand something in the conservation of stone artifacts, but as the Japanese say , " Every thing should bear stamp time" ...

NATA NOVA 21.02.2013 23:59

Pecheneg, I am.
(To be honest, after your stories) expect their color (or whitewashed), well, moss will grow ..
(Fu, relieved ...)

Дилетант 22.02.2013 00:49

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Сообщение от Pecheneg; 2474231"
So they decided to clean up and put in the appropriate form, clean, like new now ... Maybe I do not understand something in the conservation of stone artifacts, but as the Japanese say, "Every thing must take the time stamp "...

Complex question. If we start from the aesthetic views of the author famous essay "Praise the shadows", then - of course ... For polished to a high gloss kettle - guts out, his throat with a razor, and - well!
But. I can not remember who owns the next terrible rasskazka (A.A.Rybnikovu great, I think), when returned to the halls of the Hermitage after the restoration of "small Dutch" - groan stood in the ranks of the true connoisseurs of old paintings. It turns out that it was sufficient to remove a layer of dirty varnish to not only completely change the impression of the color scheme and other nonsense, but to destroy the base idea of ​​painting an entire era. About how!
A "wash or not to wash?" there is a reason for the perennial debate between two different directions in the restoration.
If you remove the pages stopisyat theoretical considerations, it is the following: Dear century - do not you dare touch it, to respect the author - is restored to its original form. (Although the experiments on the reconstruction of ancient marble sculptures paintings left mixed feelings, and themselves Kuroshio pink with golden hair reminds me of colored concrete local craftsmen on the lawn gnomes ...)

Кирилл Сызранский 22.02.2013 02:33

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A "wash or not to wash?" there is a reason for the perennial debate between two different directions in the restoration.

Icons of the same "open", there is a time "print time" from the darkened varnish yes candle soot formed that faces could hardly be distinguished.
No, I understand that the yellowed varnish on an old painting gives a certain charm, but underneath it is painting itself-and not seen often, that I am a "wash", unequivocally. :)>
And as collectors themselves should decide in what form in their collections will be their items - coins in a green patina or brushed, painted a picture in a darkened "Museum" form or restored to copyright paints.
By the way, the frame-all trying to restore, with a broken stucco somehow do not like to broadcast them on the walls and the furniture restoration, do not want to have the furniture in the house at the Manilow -
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... in room was fine furniture, covered with a nifty silk, which is true, cost is very expensive, but it lacked two chairs and upholstered chairs were simply matting, however, the host for several years, each time warned his guest with the words: "Do not sit on these chairs, they are not ready ".
<! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Pecheneg 22.02.2013 13:54

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2474381"
Icons as "Open ", where time is a " time stamp " of darkened varnish candle soot formed so that the faces can be difficult to distinguish .

Yes, of course, open the icon , but it remains the basis of age-old , ancient timber , remove the old olifku it again and cover art, is its charm ..

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2474381"
And as collectors themselves should decide in what form in their collections will be their objects - coins in a green patina or brushed ,

Here one can clearly say so ... if patina thick, green or other lakovoblestyaschaya and then a coin preserve and lay down on the tray ... and if the coin is covered with copper oxychloride or nitrous , it must be cleaned clearly which way the chemical or mechanical, decide on the spot based on the state of the coin.


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