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vg_edger 25.12.2012 11:07

Importation of rare books by UPS
 
Bought at Cowan's book:
http://www.cowanauctions.com/auction...?ItemId=115148
Cost - $ 2800 with shipping.

This is the first novel by Ayn Rand, published by Macmillan 3,000 copies in 1936. The novel is autobiographical, is a rarity. This copy was donated by the author to his friend, DeWitt Emery, head of the U.S. Small Business Association in the 30's of the last century. The book contains a gift certificate's inscription "For DeWitt Emery - with great delight - Ayn Rand" and bookplate DeWitt Emery.

Detailed information about Ayn Rand:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%...8D%D0%BD%D0%B4

More about the novel:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%...B2%D1%8B%D0%B5

Before you use the services of UPS, I called them to the customs department and asked if a book of cultural value. I was told that all of the books over 50 years old are automatically considered to KC.

The book last week arrived at the warehouse UPS, I said it as a cultural value.

Full details about the book - a description, links to the auction, information about Ayn Rand, etc. was transferred to the UPS 20 December. Today, finally called a girl from UPS and reported that they spoke with a representative of the Ministry of Culture and the representative said that the book is not a cultural value, because the order of 117 cultural values ​​are only books over 100 years old, so I have to pay customs duties.

More than a representative of the Ministry of Culture strange decision. If I had known, I would have sent it to his friends in London, and later took them to himself. Do you think it possible to somehow appeal the decision or is it impossible?

Кирилл Сызранский 25.12.2012 11:31

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Сообщение от vg_edger (Сообщение 2399171)
If I had known, I would have sent it to his friends in London, and later took them to himself.

So it had to be done.

They are, by the way on my own this book you can then just send it.

kr555 25.12.2012 11:41

Generally 117 order applies only to exports from the Russian Federation , not imported.
According to it, yes, " prints, created over 100 years ago. " But " Manuscripts documentary monuments , archives, including sound, photographic and cinematographic archives created more than 50 years ago."
General case as if for trial. If we can prove that the value is not the book itself , and autographed (documentary monument).

uriart 25.12.2012 12:09

vg_edger, in the worst case , you can opt out of the package.
UPS must return it there where received. That is, in the auction house.
I had a similar situation.
I refused the parcel.
She was sent back.
I ordered delivery back to the German address of my friends.
Then from there I took home her own .
A book will bring you the easiest.
Do not despair !
The legislation set of holes that we you can use a .

Ivan Petrov 25.12.2012 13:30

Make out re-export, the UPS are experts in customs clearance, they tell us how to do - pay the postal rate and all


important - do not confuse the issue and "denial of the state" :)>

vg_edger 25.12.2012 15:04

Just went to the Office of the Ministry of Culture of Russia in the Central Federal District, Lavrushinsky Lane , 17 CT1 , opposite the Tretyakov Gallery. Very pleasantly surprised by kindness and desire to help girls Olesya and Julia. Left them with photos, documents, auction, complete an application. They just said it was CC , but decided in any case be confirmed in the Library. Lenin. After about half an hour called back and said that the Library has confirmed that this KC, asked to be included in the FAQ to give them room customs station through which to load.

Now I try to scratch out this number from UPS. Help Desk UPS this room knows, but until they get through the Customs clearance harder than Putin.

I wonder how this expert help respond to your post?

Added after 35 minutes
It turned out that all the goods come to UPS Customs Post number 2 customs post Vnukovo Airport ( cargo), code 10001022 .

By the way , the experts explained that automatically recognized KC only books over 100 years old . If the book is less than 100 years , it may be referred to the CC if framed by famous painter , was published in small quantities , has the inscription of the author , bookplates of famous people , etc.

khmelev 25.12.2012 17:40

in general , this is absurd , p.ch. no abstract " cultural values ​​", and there are cultural values ​​of RF. By definition, your book is not one of them . Especially, until she passed customs. IMHO, this is just a commodity, which is de jure subject to customs duties.
Another thing is that you just had to send it to any Western address, and then get out without any customs duties , as "just a book"

vg_edger 25.12.2012 18:16

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Сообщение от khmelev (Сообщение 2399801)
at all, it's absurd, p.ch. no abstract "cultural values", and there are cultural values ​​of RF. By definition, your book is not one of them. Especially, until she passed customs. IMHO, this is just a commodity, which is de jure subject to customs duties.
Another thing is that you just had to send it to any Western address, and then get out without any customs duties, as "just a book"

It may not relate to culture first book, a native of Russia, describing the events in the country after the Bolsheviks came to power, which is still alive has become a classic of world level and early editions of which even without the inscriptions of the world's leading auction houses are estimated in the tens of thousands of dollars?


Absurd is the fact that a representative of the Ministry of Culture in Vnukovo a doubt that this book is a cultural value. And the same is absurd practice itself create any obstacles to the importation of KC. The result of this stupid policy is that all of the major auction of Russian art are everywhere, but not in Russia, making Russia's auctions are not developed to the extent to what might, and the budget is ultimately doschityvaetsya huge sums. The import of any item older than 50 years should be duty-free, his registration for import must be voluntary to be able to easily take the subject further, if it so ever arise. For now, the law in force responsible officials should be immediately dismissed without severance pay with in the workbook "For extraordinary stupidity and incompetence."

khmelev 25.12.2012 18:37

there is a law on the import and export of cultural goods of Russia.
You can buy a Picasso painting and bring it just as a commodity, paying the fee and not registering as KC. And then it will not be any . In the context of relations with customs concept of " KC " exists only in fiscal terms. Everything else is kind of meaningless lyrics :)>

vg_edger 25.12.2012 18:45

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Сообщение от khmelev (Сообщение 2399881)
there is a law on the import and export of cultural property to Russia.
You can buy a Picasso painting and bring it just as a commodity, paying the fee and not registering as KC. :)>

I can not. Seeing the product under the name "Picture Picasso" , the customs officer will immediately representative of the Ministry of Culture , and then follow all the legal procedures , including registration of KC.

khmelev 25.12.2012 18:50

You do not know the laws.
Pay the fee and are importing as you want.

Кирилл Сызранский 25.12.2012 18:56

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Сообщение от vg_edger (Сообщение 2399841)
As may not apply to culture first book, a native of Russia

As the first book?
It is Russia still under his real name published.

vg_edger 25.12.2012 19:17

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2399941)
As the first book?
It is Russia still under his real name published.


Can you give an example of such a publication?

Added after 9 minutes
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Сообщение от khmelev (Сообщение 2399921)
You do not know the laws. Pay the fee and how much you want to import a .

http://www.tks.ru/nat/0030000001
Cultural values ​​conveyed by natural persons through the customs border of the Russian Federation shall be subject to written declaration with the use of the passenger customs declaration TD -6.

Try for once to bring a picture of the 18th century , without filling out a form TD -6. At least 100 -fold of the value offered to pay for the import , still forced to fill the TD -6 and will not take the money , if only without the receipt :-)

khmelev 25.12.2012 20:49

regularly do it. Make a declaration where am making under " goods" the following text - a picture n \\\\ x - the value of € 1,000. And be sure to go through the red channel . Give the customs officer declaration and invoice. The customs officer said, why do not declare as KC ?
Answer: - I do not want
Come in ... Declaration and tears

vg_edger 25.12.2012 21:03

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Сообщение от khmelev (Сообщение 2400101)
regularly doing it. Make a declaration where am making under "goods" the following text - a picture n \\\\ x - the value of € 1,000. And be sure to go through the red channel. Give the customs officer declaration and invoice. The customs officer said, why do not declare as KC?
Answer: - I do not want
Come in ... Declaration and tears

With a picture of the 18th century is not a rental. In your case, triggered by the following factors:
1. Customs officer just did not want to mess with you.
2. Coming soon the entire picture does not look old.
3. Perhaps it was not in Moscow.

If an item is clearly not seen as KC, they are even more pleased to strip duty.

Here's an example:

"Kingiseppskaya Customs: the return of funds to refuse, and the complaint disallowing

Every day, people across the border carrying tens and hundreds of different products. And the main task of customs - the rule of law movement of these goods. Quite often have to work with citizens, by explaining the rules of the movement of goods.

Citizen complaint, transports locker for personal use through a multi-car crossing Ivangorod (Kingisepp customs) left without satisfaction, because it is not taken care of in advance about how to move across the border thing, which was a cultural value.

A resident of St. Petersburg resulted from Estonia to Russia via MAPP Ivangorod. On the border of it filled the passenger customs declaration, which stated that he was taking a used commode cost of 1200 euros. Without translation into the Russian language, the documents attached to the declaration of the Estonian language, similar to the sales receipt, or a receipt, a document with a photograph product, certified by a round seal. Since its completion, the customs declaration was a document testifying to the facts of legal significance. Based on the information presented to the citizen and the submitted documents, the inspectors of the customs posts were collected customs duties and taxes in the form of aggregate customs payment for customs credit order (TPO).

A few days later to the office received a complaint from a citizen of this, in which she requests to amend the customs declaration and return it paid money as her chest is a cultural value. Attached to the application letter to the Office of the Northwestern Federal District of the Ministry of Culture (issued 11 days after the importation of the goods into the territory of Russia), which stated that the chest of drawers, made of pine, 19th century, is registered as a cultural value.

As cultural property imported into the customs territory of the Customs Union shall be exempt from customs duties, a citizen requested to amend its earlier filed by the passenger customs declaration and return the money paid by TPO. However, this is not possible, because at the time of import of goods into the customs territory of the Customs Union and the registration of passenger customs declaration are not reported data on movable goods belonging to the cultural values ​​and were not presented documents confirming the right to benefits on payment of customs duties. In return the money the woman refused, and her complaint dismissed.

Kingiseppskaya Customs conducts advocacy on issues related to compliance with customs laws, and is always open to the complaints of citizens. The Customs is working answering machine - telephone: 8 (81375) 97-201, call that, you can learn the procedure for filing appeal for assistance to the legal department.

Spokeswoman Olga Kingisepp customs Dyatko "


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