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artcol 15.11.2012 20:58

Socialist realism - this is our antiques
 
Socialist realism - this is our antiques.
Another, not really ...

Toinen 15.11.2012 21:43

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2341891)
The other, not really ...



My God, it's awful, then what?

"And guys, do not know!" (C)

Кирилл Сызранский 15.11.2012 22:23

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In addition to social realism was " postavangard " 20- 40's, Underground ( "other art") , "left MOSH " and " severe style ", sponsored by the Manege resounded for " formalizm " Comrade . Khrushchev, who then did no one could be called " socialist realism ." :)>

And so from the perspective of art investment, social realism , I'm afraid there is little interest, so now you can, roughly speaking , to take a couple of Shtukar and move on to the wall for 4-5 Clent so long . , And even there the price of this will be five years from now (I'm afraid to talk about ten years :)>) - now do not guess, but as for me , socialist realism is not an investment in the arts.

Art-ort 15.11.2012 22:29

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2341891)
Socialist realism - this is our antiques.
Another, not really ...


You, our antiques :)>

Самвел 15.11.2012 23:50

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2342001"
" postavangard " 20- 40's, Underground ( "other art") , "left MOSH " and " severe style ", sponsored by the Manege resounded for " formalizm " Comrade . Khrushchev, who then did no one could be called " socialist realism ".

This topic, we have somehow worked through the forum. The term social realism wrong , let alone severe style does not hold water , as the term person of Caucasian nationality. A little harsh faces , colors are not too bright and harsh here stil.vse these postavangardy , non- isms, the left and right of Moschus, all of this is social realism , te art of the Soviet era .
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2342001"
but as for me, this is not an investment socialist realism in art

And for me the art of the Soviet era is a very important part of the art world , I would even venture to say the most interesting thing in the 20th century . While this is a swear , and we will have these wretched antique shops, which has just unpleasant zahodit.Iz for pictures that are out there are exposed every year the same thing, and the people there became more artificial, which is wet .

Кирилл Сызранский 16.11.2012 01:26

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Сообщение от Samvel; 2342171"
The term social realism wrong

Mozhee you consider what you will, but there is such a term in the Soviet Union more than 50 years he was the only artistic method:
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        Socialist realism, as the main method of Soviet literature and literary criticism, demands from the artist the truthful, historically concrete depiction of reality in its revolutionary development. And truthfulness and historical concreteness of the artistic representation of reality must be combined with the task of ideological remaking and education in the spirit of socialism.
Socialist realism is a deep life, the most advanced scientific and artistic method, which developed as a result of the successes of socialist construction and the education of the Soviet people in the spirit of communism. Principles of socialist realism were the further development of the Leninist theory of party literature.

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little harsh faces, colors are not too bright and harsh here stil.vse these postavangardy, non-isms, the left and right of Moschus, all of this is social realism, te art of the Soviet era.

No, it's not.
Moreover, a large number of artists, as we now know, there were no Soviet artists and artists of socialist realism in contrast, were supported by the state.
This content, Samvel, was related at all to the quality of painting these artists, namely, the direction: the socialist state podderzhivlo and contained solely " art of socialist realism ".
And it is understood that "other art" is not supported and is not paid, nonconformists were margialami and survive as best they could and knew how.

artcol 16.11.2012 02:04

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2342001)
And so from the perspective of art investment, social realism, I fear, is of little interest ...

Yes, discussed, but something itching ... Do not splashed with water, baby?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2342001)
It was socialist realism "postavangard" 20-40's, Underground ("other art") ...

Fear - which, combined with socialist realism, a reflection of the same processes.

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 2342171)
This topic we somehow already worked through the forum. The term social realism wrong, let alone severe style does not hold water, as the term person of Caucasian nationality. A little harsh faces, colors are not too bright and harsh here stil.vse these postavangardy, non-isms, the left and right of Moschus, all of this is social realism, te art of the Soviet era.

In general, yes, the same opinion and I come ... Ie blankly at the stylistic features of the draw, we must look deeper ...

Postavantgard - it separately, and the rest can be divided into positive and critical social realism, because the process fencing [/URL] had already been completed.

Would look interesting exhibition where all the domestic art of the Soviet era would have been presented in a single exposure, and not in different rooms, as well as a dialogue of works ...

Игорь Гурьев 16.11.2012 02:14

Well, if Deineko, Pimenov, Gerasimov considered social realism , the good price and good investment. And they will only growth, of course.

And at the " severe style " prices too good at the moment - for the heirs and for investors.
Also not reduced for 10 years .

This is when " severe style " good as Socialist Realism.

Yes, even a talentless Nalbandian - watch out how much it costs ...

artcol 16.11.2012 02:27

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Сообщение от Igor Guryev (Сообщение 2342301)
Well, if Deineko, Pimenov, Gerasimov considered social realism , the good price and good investment. And they will only growth, of course.

And at the " severe style " prices too good at the moment - for the heirs and for investors.
Also not reduced for 10 years .

This is when " severe style " good as Socialist Realism.

Yes, even a talentless Nalbandian - watch out how much ...

That's it, that artists can not get away . Were.

Andronov, add more .

Of course, this lapidary Wait all overfed , plus a lot of garbage , it distorts ...

I honestly do not understand - the American pop art is essentially different from Brodsky , for example?

Игорь Гурьев 16.11.2012 02:41

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2342321)

I honestly do not understand - the American pop art is essentially different from Brodsky, for example?


1) Brodsky was.

2) Brodsky was able to draw.

But:

3) Brodsky was insincere, and pop art - sincere.

4) Brodsky himself sketched, and pop artists use ready chandeliers.

artcol 16.11.2012 03:00

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Сообщение от Igor Guryev (Сообщение 2342331)
1) Brodsky was before ...
But: Pop Art - sincere .

Ie about the nature of one , in your opinion , Igor Guryev? Eating , but that the form of expression , the characters , etc. - All different, so how different were the system, but they acted in about the same logic - the logic of global opposition , and therefore - total mobilization. Only here brainwashed handmade academicism , and there - cut & paste.

Кирилл Сызранский 16.11.2012 03:04

For reference.
 
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Y. Pimenov.
The most expensive thing on it now May Day
was sold on 11/04/2010 Sothebys, New York (Lot 42) for 1,538,500 USD (estimate: 400,000 - 600,000 USD) and is the only million-selling its products.
  
A. Deineka.
The most expensive thing on it now girl, tied the ribbon on her head. Sketch "Bather» was sold at Sovkome 10/25/2008 (Lot 51) for 25 million rubles ($ 925,000 USD at the then exchange rate estimate: 10 - 15 million rubles).

C. Gerasimov.
The most expensive thing on it now House on the bank was sold on 1/12/2010 Macdougall, e (lot 460) for 59,294 GBP (estimate 35,000 - 50,000 GBP).

D. Nalbandian.
The most expensive thing on it now Yerevan is built was sold on 25/10/2008 Sovkome (Lot 83) for 6.5 million RUR (240,500 USD at the then exchange rate estimate of 5 - 8 million rubles.).

Suggest that it was obvious to compare these figures with the circulation of works of exits, for example, the artist Jean-Michel Basquiat (1960-1988):
 for the period from 1 July 2011 to 30 June 2012 of his works were sold almost 80 million euros.
For comparison, it's about 6 times, than all domestic auction market in Russia.

American Basquiat, a 27-year-old boy nyuyorsky, who died of an overdose 24 years ago and all the auction market in Russia, with all " out how much ", Pimenov, Hero of Socialist Labor, People's Artist of the USSR Academy of Comrade. Deineka "izyumitelnym colorist" Gerasimov and Hero of Socialist Labor, People's Artist of the USSR Academy of Comrade. Nalbandian.
 :p> :)> :D> :rolleyes:> :shy:>
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artcol 16.11.2012 03:07

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2342361)

For comparison, it's about 6 times, than all domestic auction market in Russia.

About what I mean ...
And if you compare the weight of the ruble with the dollar - it is possible that the proportion will not be in favor of Basquiat.

Кирилл Сызранский 16.11.2012 03:25

And yes, of course, Jean-Michel Basquiat could not draw as

Izrailevich Isaak Brodsky.
:D>

Игорь Гурьев 16.11.2012 03:57

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Ie essence about one

See, Brodsky - is an artist for the common people.
Pop art - is also an art for the mob , in general ...
For intellectual black ...

But in the U.S. there was no anti-popular regime was not totalitarian , and pop art - is, in general , harmless little thing , sort of like an octopus in an aquarium : nasty, but shocking , tickling nerves , you know.

Brodsky also (Isaac) participate in the creation of communism - the criminal regime of the 20th century , is still , unfortunately, not convict our , you know, the counter-revolutionary tribunal.

The problem is that Brotsky (Isaac) participate in the creation prestupnago regime activities and not bezkorystno .

So essentially , in my opinion , very different ...


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