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AlexSpb 21.10.2012 12:55

Good picture. Europe (19) 33rd year. Monograph. illegible.
 
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Such is quite promising, I think, a picture.
The best photos could not do , the first letter monogram similar to "Y", then guess the two poluosypavshiesya letters read like a live eye "LK", but confidence in the bit.
Probably wise to push off from the painting itself . Manner seems to me very typical , so I hope someone saw something similar and find out ...

Wladzislaw 21.10.2012 19:12

Evgeny Zack seems.
Probably, and many more 1920-30's.

AlexSpb 21.10.2012 20:20

I've been to inspire, Having estimated that just over "Y" in the Western manner should be written the name of Eugene. But, unfortunately, in the 1926m , died Eugene Zak.
However , thanks to a new good artist himself opened ! And that to me all the education comes only through practice : about Leon Zack , for example, I know many things , for repeatedly caught ...

And here - yes, indeed, 80-90 percent for Paris to limit the circle of searches .

Wladzislaw 21.10.2012 23:55

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And here - yes, indeed, 80-90 percent for Paris to limit the search range.


And I am here, not sure.
Why not Germany ...


But write to Ms. Nadine Nieszawer (expertise@ecoledeparis.org), she might reassure you to Zak.

AlexSpb 22.10.2012 01:34

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 2304571)
But write to Ms. Nadine Nieszawer (expertise@ecoledeparis.org), she might reassure you to Zak .

Write, why not ?
I think , by the way , I have this to Madame something there .
Here , for example, almost meter thing on the 29th , and the signature is quite clear , and - "Salon des Tuileries " ... after all - not Shepetovka ! But it's been a head broke hundreds of Louis and Vargas - I can not find an artist and that's it !

Maybe at the same time and that's this you tell me who will help?
It's big , 94h97 , at the auction did not sell for 4,000 euros. But I know the owner , I have the opportunity to bargain for about half price .
Signature I think clearly applied . A feeling that one of Toulouse- Lautrec ( for example ) in the attic and found the vanity of his name signed!

Дилетант 22.10.2012 07:20

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a feeling that some of Toulouse- Lautrec ( for example ) in the attic and found the vanity of his name signed!

Uh-huh. Or that someone is immortalized in this way mark favorite nougat ...
I can right now, again smorozhu stupidity , but:
despite the fact that I like both pictures , the signature on the second ( "Cafe" ) looks much later applied by nedomytomu old ( and dirty ) varnish ...
But the fact that all three paintings will certainly have to show serious professional - no doubts. Good luck. ( Tell then ?)

Кирилл Сызранский 22.10.2012 15:19

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 2304321)
I think, and many more 1920-30's.

I have this thing Solomon Nikritin remembered

Wladzislaw 22.10.2012 22:15

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I will write , why not?
I think , by the way , I have this to Madame something there .
For example :

You are somewhat frivolous, so to speak.

No need to fill up all that you have or that you can buy. One thing you can politely respond with a preliminary opinion , but in general , the examination - this is business. You should understand that in the West. Europe, people get money for it , but the answer , more often, for their actions.

Hey, you 'll see ... - harmful initiative.

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did not sell at auction for EUR 4,000 . But I know the owner , I have the opportunity to bargain for about half the price .

What's the point in that you see? Why buy a unknown person , even at half price ? If the artistic and aesthetic meaning for themselves, and the author's name, does not play a special role , as long as like. If as a personal investment in the market with enough material for this purpose. If we buy for resale , it is not clear why art dealers should you advise ? Money for a consultation, you , like, do not offer.

Кирилл Сызранский 22.10.2012 22:30

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 2306191)
Why buy a unknown person, even at half price?

I agree, up to 2 m euros now at Western auctions can be authored and buy a decent thing.

K-Maler 22.10.2012 23:15

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Such is quite promising, I think, a picture.
The best photos could not do , the first letter monogram similar to "Y", then guess the two poluosypavshiesya letters read like a live eye "LK", but confidence in the bit.
Probably wise to push off from the painting itself . Manner seems to me very characteristic , so hopefully someone

Start with the plot. It's like teaching a deaf-mute ... companion portrait ... something like that .

Elek 22.10.2012 23:50

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Сообщение от AlexSpb (Сообщение 2304041)
Such is quite promising, I think, a picture.
The best photos could not do , the first letter monogram similar to "Y", then guess the two poluosypavshiesya letters read like a live eye "LK", but confidence in the bit.
Probably wise to push off from the painting itself . Manner seems to me very typical , so I hope someone saw something similar and learn ...

"Dream of Eva Braun ..." :) A good picture .
Two others - in the closet.

AlexSpb 23.10.2012 00:17

Something you, dear Wladzislaw, to me enraged for evermore.
I will try as best I can safely answer may then decide that a slightly hasty.

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You do not need to fill up all that you have or that you can buy.
About all, that I have or that I can buy, you will, I think, can not be known. Just brought two more paintings, which, in my opinion, quite match the level of the first and can be attributed to the Paris School. So dear Amateur fully shares this view. And you think otherwise? Speak out, please!

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For one thing you can politely respond with a preliminary opinion, but in general, the examination - this is business. You should understand that in the West. Europe, people get money for it, but the answer, more often, for their actions.
Yeah, like, understand, never hungry and did not consider themselves to pay for useful information for me refused. All who know me personally, this is, I hope, will be able to confirm. All three things (and not only them) ready to personally bring at least in Paris, at least in Europe and elsewhere to join with an expert who can be useful to me, in official business.
And when it comes to handling this lady to refer to you, or vice versa - in any case do not refer to, ready to promise all your wishes and strictly abide by your good name in any case no shame!

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Hey, you'll see ... - harmful initiative.
Do not comment, because - do not understand.

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What's the point in that you see? Why buy a unknown person, even at half price? If the artistic and aesthetic meaning for themselves, and the author's name, does not play a special role, as long as like. If as a personal investment, the market enough material with the names for this.
If it specifically about the painting "Cafe" and consider it in all respects a remarkable and is able to give odds of almost any picture with the name for the same money. Besides, I think it is quite atributiruemoy, and this affair is in itself no small cost! I note that he had long lived in the world and to make an independent decision within those amounts, I do not need anyone's advice, but any opinion is ready, of course, to listen with gratitude! A couple of weeks stranded in Europe and try to solve this question.

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If you buy for resale, it is not clear why art dealers should you advise? Money for a consultation, you, like, do not offer.
Something strange ... to consult me, and now ask such questions! And how, I wonder, should I offer money forumnym dealers for advice? "Thank you, how much do I owe?" So, what? Do you regret that you consult? You can never regret the kind of selfless actions!

A pre predict their actions with the picture I bought is difficult: it is known from military history, "the main thing - to get involved in the fight". However, in order not to offend the direct supply of money, ready to invite you to participate in some grounds joint trade in these things (assuming, of course, if recommended by your lady will be useful). In witness of this proposal can invite any friends in common on this forum.
So you are happy?

Wladzislaw 23.10.2012 01:26

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just brought two paintings, which, in my opinion, quite match the level of the first and may be referred to the School of Paris .

Soon, perhaps, will be the 4th School of Paris :)

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And if the point is that the treatment for this lady to refer to you, or vice versa - in any case does not refer to, ready to promise all your wishes and strictly abide by your good name in any If not shame !

There is no need to quote me , I saw her once in a lifetime and we are not familiar. Email is the Internet in the public domain, anyone is free to write.

===

Apparently, I was really too harsh. I apologize.

I-V 23.10.2012 15:42

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manner seems very typical

AlexSpb, it seems , in my opinion , the Andre Lhote ( 1885 - 1,962 ). Incidentally, he was one of the teachers of Tamara Lempicka , and she will agree, somehow comes to mind when you look at this work.
But on the Lot, of course, much more similar than her. As I write version , of course.

- Lot on Google

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CB%EE%...C0%ED%E4%F0%E5

Wladzislaw 23.10.2012 18:31

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A note on the Salon des Tuileries in 1930.


Art et decoration.
1930.
Juillet.
Chronique.
P.
II.


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