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Artoil-A 30.08.2012 18:04

Taxation, artists, hacks, and other individuals, INN .. .
 
Moved topic of " as an artist is "Gregory


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Сообщение от DSF (Сообщение 2229561)
This is just two characters :)
Here, neither the message, - a pearl.
PS: in our time freelancer can work quite legally, without paying any taxes , in full accordance with the law, though he sells, at least through the gallery.
here ...... people came out of adolescence .

For tax-free sale, artists or pay a fine or sit down.
Accordingly to the legal sale of paintings is irrelevant
On the other hand, you think too highly of Artnau . To me, this forum is no longer needed .
I just fired my article on Artnau and published it :

And more:
http://artoil-a.narod.ru/book019.htm

So who came out of adolescence ?

Кирилл Сызранский 30.08.2012 18:19

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Сообщение от DSF; 2229561"
What , Artoil-A, for all mugs Artnau already in there?

Artnau ?
I understand there delyut experience of successful trading at Vernissage - " to Wernicke ". :)
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Сообщение от Artoil-A; 2229531"
But weary overview paintings buyers must Vernissage
extract from the flow of thousands of spectators. For example. "... Come, do not be lazy buy painting ..".


Artoil-A 30.08.2012 18:37

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2229611)
Artnau ?
I understand there delyut experience of successful trading at Vernissage - " to Wernicke ". :)

Not only that. In Moscow street trade was on the Arbat , the Museon and at Vernissage in Izmailovo. Besides legal artists (those who pay taxes ) could be sold in gift shops and galleries .

By Artnau was interesting to find out there the view tax- artists.

artcol 30.08.2012 19:13

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Сообщение от Artoil-A (Сообщение 2229621)
Not only. In Moscow street trade was on the Arbat , the Museon and at Vernissage in Izmailovo. Besides legal artists (those who pay taxes ) could be sold in gift shops and galleries .

By Artnau see:
http://artnow.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=4661&page=11

It was interesting to see the view there the tax-free artists. Sorry removed much ...

amused :
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If you're an entrepreneur , do not forget about VAT .
writes Artoil-A <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Do not forget your own mother and father duharika (c) :)

sur 30.08.2012 19:31

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Сообщение от Artoil-A (Сообщение 2229621)
Not only. In Moscow street trade was on the Arbat, the Museon and at Vernissage in Izmailovo. Besides legal artists (those who pay taxes) could be sold in gift shops and galleries.

Yes, at Vernissage at CHA, on the bank, also in transition, full of kitsch images at prices ranging from 500 to a maximum of £ 50,000. I do not know how successful it is a trade, but of there the "masters" are the real professionals. I have observed people pecking at the pictures of these pros (and even buy them), some of which dates back to the Izmailovo. These artists are well aware that hawala People, but this is about the "art", I think not even speak properly. Not banned, but the soap cast aside. :)
 Here, apparently, they say little about the other, though the pictures at the opening day to sell, probably much easier ....

PS: Ran your article about the vertical. Interestingly, I also call kitsch painters "shore" - professilnalami. They know exactly what strings to pull over and which buttons to press to their masterpieces bought. However, there are also quite expensive artists, the cost of which the masterpieces of the tens of thousands of our loved bucks, those that are similar to most of all hate us dollars. :)

Artoil-A 30.08.2012 20:44

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Сообщение от sur (Сообщение 2229691)
 Here, apparently, they say little about the other, though the pictures at the opening day to sell, probably much easier ....

PS: Ran your article about the vertical. Interestingly, I also call kitsch painters "shore" - professilnalami. They know exactly what strings to pull over and which buttons to press to their masterpieces bought. However, there are also quite expensive artists, the cost of which the masterpieces of the tens of thousands of our loved bucks, those that are similar to most of all hate us dollars. :)

Sold on the open market is difficult. Moscow is a very expensive office space. And many legitimate artists have a personal shop and meeting place in the open market. There exists a very advanced group of artists, which makes a very decent. With them and is the main competition. I know even as the son of a member of the USSR Academy of Arts-core organized sale of works of his father was at Vernissage in Izmailovo.

Therefore, the irony is misplaced. Especially if you have an idea of ​​boo. accounting. Of course, we can speak of kitsch. But this term is not defined 150 years. Often lies behind this successful trade. Do not believe the media. Believe only the taxman. For them, the artist who earns and pays taxes. Others only persons who call themselves artists ... Yes. This new legislation. Market.

Артём 30.08.2012 20:53

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Сообщение от sur (Сообщение 2229691)
They know exactly for what strings to pull and which buttons to press to their masterpieces bought.

They are right.
This topic is about the money (How much is yours ...), and the forum about the same.
Artoil-A generously shared experiences.

Sometimes I smile like the guys from the waterfront to sell the painting, you can learn.)))

Кирилл Сызранский 30.08.2012 20:55

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I know even as the son of a member of the USSR Academy of Arts -core organized sale of works of his father was at Vernissage in Izmailovo.

Therefore, the irony is misplaced. Especially if you have an idea of ​​boo. accounting. Of course, we can speak of kitsch . But this term is not defined 150 years . Often lies behind this successful trade . Do not believe the media. Believe only the taxman.

Okay , everything is clear.
I think the comic program " Masterpieces from Wernicke " too long , Mr. Regin Dubovitsky . :)

Artoil-A 30.08.2012 21:02

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 2229761)
they should. This topic is about the money (How much is yours ...), and the forum about the same. Artoil-A generously shared experiences.
Sometimes I smile like the guys from the waterfront to sell the painting , you can learn .)))

I Free apprentice to him went to learn from the landscape. Painting Technique them puzzling .
I also wondered how they cleverly namahivali fleytsey landscape palette knife and he quickly bought .

Кирилл Сызранский 30.08.2012 21:15

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Сообщение от Artem , 2229761"
This topic is about the money (What is ... ), and a forum about the same.

Yes , the forum site Investing in art , but the forum has rules and One says:
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Please do not post in this section for sale cheap paintings by lesser-known contemporary artists. These ads will be removed .
I think that once the ads " deftly namahivannyh palette knife and fleytsey landscapes " removed , then certainly that is used . they should not be here and discuss.

Артём 30.08.2012 21:19

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Сообщение от Artoil-A; 2229781"
deftly namahivali fleytsey landscape palette knife and he quickly bought

We shot there for one season all year preparing pictures , uses white instead of white enamel . Over the summer, all the leaves, and the different modern "stars" buy it with them photographed and pictures carefully sticks to his record as a folder. Then the next stop near his work says sagely , "Yes , I bought Peha " Invite him to paint the ceiling , then do as wag abroad to work, brings a lot of money every time.
But I do not buy Peha - insulting. < - ~ 11 ~ ->

DSF 30.08.2012 21:21

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Сообщение от Artoil-A (Сообщение 2229581)
For a tax-free sale, artists or pay a fine or sit down.

1.Pozhaluysta, give me an example where the artist sat down and paid the penalty for the sale of his paintings. Such examples are not, and in principle can not be, so this "terrible tale" you can tell your grandchildren at bedtime.
2. If you pay taxes, where there is the possibility of them perfectly legal not to pay, then you are dead businessman, and here's what I can not believe it, because the person working at the underpass at the CHA and the "palette knife and deftly namahivayuschy fleytsey (!) Landscape "bad businessman can not be by definition.

Then why this tale about taxes? Here is why:
«... a graduate of art school or university can not work as intensively as required by the tax system».
 "That's where the dog fumbled! ', As one of my teachers. :) This is not Artoil-A so bad, squeezing the most pious of Pinocchio, who finished thirteenth, a tax system such bad :)

«It should be noted that the strong creative artist is not the subject, and commodity producer with a specially rebuilt psychology and physiology. The artist should not hurt one's eyes and sore spine to withstand 10 - 16 hour day at the easel throughout his creative life. "
No wonder that we have to constantly look for new Pinocchio, "creative life" which is very quickly results :D
Do not share your experience, what is the duration of the "creative life"? And then to become of those who can not stand «two working shifts in a row» ?

Artoil-A 30.08.2012 21:30

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2229791)
Yes, Forum Investing in art , but the forum has rules and one of the they says:

I think that once the ads " deftly namahivannyh palette knife and fleytsey landscapes " removed , then certainly that is used . they should not be here and discuss.

And gentlemen artists with Wernicke and others. " open areas " and have fans like a painting , I think , to find a more decent audience .

You want to shut up a highly successful segment of the art market. And where and what I mahalschika spatula , retired, advertise ?
You leave out the short story ( relative) of the legislation on the artists. Why? All this creates a price and pictures. Not only the opinion of critics about her. The more open sale of seriously competing with gallery business .

Артём 30.08.2012 21:38

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Сообщение от DSF (Сообщение 2229831)
, and then to become of those who can not stand the "two shifts in a row»?

And here they are.
Movers of Modern Art of Business.
As the saying dried and thrown away.

Кирилл Сызранский 30.08.2012 21:44

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Сообщение от Artoil-A (Сообщение 2229841)
The more open sale of seriously competing with the gallery business.

You seriously think so, fellow retiree?


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