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tunec33 29.01.2009 20:18

Can I save the picture ...
 
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Oil on canvas, watercolor.

Who is represented, is unknown.

There is a signature "A. Shamshina (Mamshina?)

Painting suffered during the breakthrough of heating the floor above. Water poured on the back side, and stood out in part at the front.

Questions:
- Can I do this watercolor restore?
- If so, does it make sense? (The cost of restoration and painting after it)
- If not restore, then what to do with it now (plan to change the housing)? What may be "not pomoechnye" options?
- "What was that?", Ie who is the author and who MB picture?

redbor 29.01.2009 20:57

Restore the possible and necessary. Specify size. We are confident that written watercolor?
Depicted. apparently, Leonardo Vinci, La

Сима 29.01.2009 21:14

old man with a globe
 
No problem with your picture. Only questionable technique in your description. This is Galileo, painter IP Koehler. Hangs on the site of the Omsk museum. Ie you seem to copy.

redbor 29.01.2009 23:50

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Sima, bravo! Exactly! Author of the original I.Keller-Viliandi
"The old man with a globe" - the author's name of 1858. It is doubtful that this is Galileo.
It's not like a well-known portraits, for example, lifetime 1624 and 1636 years.

tunec33 30.01.2009 17:30

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Size 73x93 cm

As for watercolor - himself not a specialist. But do remember that 30 years ago (when there was a whole) is inviting someone her "clean", but he refused, citing that it is watercolor, but he just swimmingly ... In addition, the picture is completely flat and so on, ie clearly not oil:)

Many thanks for link! We also thought it was either Galileo or Copernicus.

It remains to find out who this "A. Shamshina" with signature, and the approximate time of creation.

Here's the original from the Omsk museum IPS. Arts. MAVrubel:

tunec33 30.01.2009 17:45

The same "The old man with a globe" bigger. The original is better than ...

redbor 31.01.2009 13:32

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Сообщение от tunec33 (Сообщение 205746)
. Furthermore, the picture is completely flat and so on, ie clearly not oil ... We also thought it was either Galileo or Copernicus ... It remains to find out who this "A. Shamshina" with signature, and the approximate time of creation.:

Maybe it's just a reproduction on canvas ?

tunec33 02.02.2009 17:36

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Сообщение от redbor (Сообщение 206236)
Maybe it is just a reproduction on canvas?

Was used reproduction, would have been a star on the globe. :) And they are not.

In addition, the visible differences in small details (eg the top of the globe, the folds of clothes, see below). Ie is apparently "redrawn from nature.

Possess a painting from 50-ies. exactly, but probably more from the prewar era.


Left - the original, right - a copy (in its current state: ()

redbor 02.02.2009 18:57

Reroduktsiya not repeat all the subtleties of the original in the absolute.
Fine - the same copy, but The Draw.
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The picture possess the 50-ies. exactly, but probably more from the prewar era.
All the more. In the early 20 th century - the apex of this tehniki.Po your photo - it is very likely it oleograph. (Lithograph Oil on canvas, a process quite complex).
  Assuming that this watercolor, the surprising things:
  1. Who and why decided to paint on canvas or watercolor?
  2. What is a water color, water-insoluble from the breakthrough heating?
  Well seen - canvas negruntovanny, water washed away the dust and freshened the paint,
therefore, water-resistant paint, printing.
  Maybe this should wash out the whole picture, and it will shine colors?
  If I am wrong, and it's really watercolor,
then urgently needed restorer, can save water color, had been in the water.

uriart 02.02.2009 19:14

The fact that the watercolor is not written on the canvas, so it is understandable to all.
This is most likely a lithograph pasted on canvas. This and similar spot after hitting the water.
Or paper.

tunec33 02.02.2009 19:20

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Сообщение от redbor (Сообщение 208366)
According to your photo - it is very likely it oleograph. (Lithograph Oil on canvas, a process quite complex).

Maybe it's worth doing big photo fragments, including mode magnifiers, etc.? Is it possible for such a photo is more or less determine that it oleograph?

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If we assume that this watercolor, the surprising things:
  1. Who and why decided to paint on canvas or watercolor?
For example, a student (ka) art school (a training mission ...)

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2. What is a water color, water-insoluble from the breakthrough heating?
That is what amazes me. From childhood I remember about the "watercolor" heard the classic stories about the "wash painting to commission store, and the effect of water was unexpectedly small.

Maybe it was the result of "progressive wet? Painting as always hanging with nebilshim slope, so the moisture from the ceiling fell first on her back, and then stood out in front ...

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Well, see - canvas negruntovanny, water washed away the dust and freshened the paint,
therefore, water-resistant paint, printing.
If it is printing, a copy of The Draw - then why on it instead of the expected names of the original, etc. is only one signature "A. Shamshina?

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If I am wrong, and it's really watercolor,
then urgently needed restorer, can save water color, had been in the water.
Why is "urgent"? Since the impact of water already 10 years have passed ...

uriart 02.02.2009 19:26

Oleograph lithography glued on wood or canvas and painted with oil kraskami.Sozdaet illusion of butter.

redbor 02.02.2009 19:58

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Сообщение от tunec33 (Сообщение 208416)
If it is printing, a copy of The Draw - then why on it instead of the expected names of the original, etc. is only one signature "A. Shamshina?
Why is "urgent"? Since the impact of water has already passed 10 years ...

Well, the more so - not watercolor.
On the reproduction of the names do not write, but Shamshina - this is not the signature, and the inscription on the back of the canvas. Signed placed on the front.
  It is 100%lithography, and then darkened. broke out of heating water partially restored the original color.
Wash the whole picture.
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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 208426)
oleograph lithography glued on wood or canvas and painted with oil kraskami.Sozdaet illusion of butter.

What, and speech. Wash only benefit would go.

tunec33 02.02.2009 20:08

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Сообщение от redbor (Сообщение 208456)
Well, the more so - not watercolor.
On the reproduction of the names do not write, but Shamshina - this is not the signature, and the inscription on the back of the canvas. Signed placed on the front.

Well, in that time and again, that the signature is located on the front side (lower left corner).

redbor 02.02.2009 20:26

Well, I do not know, then, that for the technique.
I know that watercolor -100%water soluble paint.
It is better to take this as tempera.


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