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Евгений 06.07.2008 06:58

At that living contemporary artists
 
How to say a new word in art and in doing so become rich and famous?
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K-Maler 19.07.2009 21:49

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 14836)
On that live contemporary artists ...

R & I feel very good, sorry just is not particularly happy. Artists do not live on the proceeds from the sale of his pictures, except that a very small part. I know, for example, the artist, whose attempt to untwist. Some money it brings him. But the "unwinding" in the sense of independence or recognition or fame does not work. It is unclear how many are his work. Called price ... and unlike that correspond to the truth, shows how he lived, barely make ends meet brings ...

Артём 20.07.2009 00:18

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 481316)
Artists do not live on the proceeds from the sale of his pictures, except that a very small part.

Who said that? And the theme of weird. What artists bad live? It may be necessary to properly allocate funds? From 1000 to 5000 tys.u.e.v month - this is normal for the entire civilized world. Maybe I'm wrong, but as living artists?

LCR 20.07.2009 00:27

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 481486)
Who said that? And the theme of weird. What artists bad live? It may be necessary to properly allocate funds? From 1000 to 5000 tys.u.e.v month - this is normal for the entire civilized world. Maybe I'm wrong, but as living artists?

I do not know, what do you mean by "civilized world", but 1000 Euros in Western Europe - is a bit lower than the guaranteed minimum wage, that is to live on this money, especially if you need to buy paint, stretchers, canvas and pay social security contributions and taxes impossible.

Артём 20.07.2009 01:18

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 481516)
I do not know, what do you mean by "civilized world", but 1000 Euros in Western Europe - is a bit lower than the guaranteed minimum wage, that is to live on this money, especially if you need to buy paint, stretchers , canvas and pay social security contributions and taxes virtually impossible.

Why Paris! Sorento! 500E per month for an apartment, canvases with him. And work. Forward! Yes, God grant everyone such a life. It's nuts that twist?
I hate the theme of the poor artists! So the bad guy!, Since a beggar! So can anything! (According to Freud). And there will be nothing! Weak!

Ninni 20.07.2009 08:14

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 481566)
Why Paris! Sorento! 500E per month for an apartment, canvases with him. And work. Forward! Yes, God grant everyone such a life. It's nuts that twist?
I hate the theme of the poor artists! So the bad guy!, Since a beggar! So can anything! (According to Freud). And there will be nothing! Weak !!!

Your opinion is not the destination of all questions and answers. There is no need to throw teams correct behavior for creative people. All people are different and so the same artists and asked to take into account that among the "bad men" and the artists are women and very often the "weaklings" in everyday terms are much more talented than any self-expression than many cabs.

Jasmin 20.07.2009 09:24

Old Jew asked:
- How are you?
He replied:
-Good.
... I cried ...: D

Кирилл Сызранский 20.07.2009 09:32

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Сообщение от Jasmin (Сообщение 481706)
Old Jew asked:
- How are you?
He replied:
-Good.
... And he cried ...

Super! Thank you!

eva777 20.07.2009 09:36

Jasmin, Thank you!
This is about: "Nedozhdetes ..." :)))

Кирилл Сызранский 20.07.2009 09:48

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 481566)
Why Paris! Sorento! 500E per month for an apartment, canvases with him. And work. Forward! Yes, God grant everyone such a life. Is that nuts twist?

Artem y:
I am your activity and, in general, your position is nice and close. T. B. knowing about your Indian experience, I think you and 100 euros will be able to live, if that ...
But I can say that I would have lived to 500 euros a month in southern Italy, but it would have been my most bitter and joyless days. : D
Various same people, different styles of life they have, different ideas about everyday life, convenience, comfort ... :)
For example, I is not difficult to calculate the approximate price of the products that I need to buy and estimate the money with the existing, but I'm not doing this a long time and I know that in my pocket I have enough money to pay off at the checkout, no matter how much I scored. And this, I confess, I like ... : shy:

Veronic 20.07.2009 09:53

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 481486)
Who said that? And the theme of weird. What artists bad live? It may be necessary to properly allocate funds? From 1000 to 5000 tys.u.e.v month - this is normal for the entire civilized world. Maybe I'm wrong, but as living artists?

Yes, Artem something like this. However, this applies more or less successful artists. For example, in the West there is a perception that live only in painting impossible. So many artists live on their wages, and more art for the soul. But, can we speak in this case about professionalism?
In general, both here and in any case. There are some people successful, middle management and poor.

Remembered an anecdote. Occurs rat guinea pig:
Tell me-mumps, why you all are loved, fed, stroked .... And I seek and destroy? After all, we're practically does not differ from each other
At that pig responded
"I think that the whole thing in marketing ...

Posav 20.07.2009 10:08

And I would have distinguished between such concepts as professional education and professional lives with sales. Besides self-taught (please do not be offended nuggets) to sell the painting at the bazaar, too, in its way a professional. A professional can write good works, but they may not be opportunistic.

Артём 20.07.2009 10:15

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Сообщение от Jasmin (Сообщение 481706)
Old Jew asked:
- How are you?
He replied:
-Good.
... And he cried ...

Super!
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Сообщение от Ninni (Сообщение 481636)
Your opinion is not a destination

That's right. I just talk with the artists (friends) are self-sufficient in everything.

LCR 20.07.2009 10:22

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 481566)
Why Paris! Sorento! 500E per month for an apartment, canvases with him. And work. Forward! Yes, God grant everyone such a life. It's nuts that twist?
I hate the theme of the poor artists! So the bad guy!, Since a beggar! So can anything! (According to Freud). And there will be nothing! Weak !!!

You know, Artem, your reaction, too, according to Freud: "they are - losers, I'm not!" :)

In your opinion turns out that well-paid artist=good artist. Personally, I am sure that equality is not automatic, you must watch every particular case.

In one you're right - the artist in his professional life really does not know the constant dependence of people employed. Perhaps it is true that for this to be paid if the material is not unsettled, at least the absence of any warranties.

P.S. And in Sorrento American tourists is expected to market products or even how?

Posav 20.07.2009 10:38

LCR, you are mistaken. Not having another profession artist more dependent on sales and working conditions than, for example, more and designer. If his paintings are not sold, he can simply stack them on the shelf, rather than bend under the climate.


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