Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство (https://forum.artinvestment.ru/index.php)
-   Art Kaleidoscope (https://forum.artinvestment.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=236)
-   -   That's what were the price of Old Masters in 1907! (https://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=16476)

раскатов 28.01.2009 16:39

That's what were the price of Old Masters in 1907!
 
According to the publication: Catalog 9 th Autumn Exhibition of paintings by the St. Petersburg Society of Artists. SPb., 1907
1. Hieronymus Bosch. (Gol.hudozhnik 17 th century) - Sin (the symbolic representation of human life) - 8000 rub.
2. Talpino - Sacred revelation - 800 rubles.
3.Primitiv Flam. School 16 th century - Adoration of the Magi - 1200 rub.
4. Primitive of the French school of 17 century. - Madonna - 3000 rubles.
5. Andreas del Sarto (attributed) - Expulsion from Paradise. - 2500 rub.
6. Francisco de Goya. - In the Tavern (1000 USD) and musician (1000 rubles).
7. Peter Paul Rubens - The Apostle Paul (6000 USD), School of Paolo Veronese - Christ in the temple (800 rubles,) 8. Wang Artens - Head men (200 rubles).
9. Alexander Adriaenssens - still life Mort (300 rub.)
10. Rock de Zorge - still life Mort (200 rub.)
11. D. Vertongen - Landscape with Figures (800 rubles). And so on.

Sandro 28.01.2009 16:47

rolls, stunned, a Goya cheap, cheaper, Flemish and French HX! ...

uriart 28.01.2009 18:36

rolls, A where these prices?
If the exhibition Autumn Exhibition of paintings by the St. Petersburg Society of Artists. so most likely it up with the works of old masters done by pupils of the Academy.

раскатов 28.01.2009 18:50

No, this is the real prices of inserted pictures. With copies of the directory would not start.
Here's another piece:
11.Van der Stratena - John the Baptist (1500 r.).
12.YA.M. Molinari - Skating (800 pp.)
13.Turner French. - Lady's portrait (2500 pp.), (Price for copies is large)
14.Laurens Angl.shkola - Lady's portrait (2000 pp.), (A copy would not be worth much)
15 Isabey - British bank (500 pp.)
16. Lil Swiss. School - Lake Geneva (200 pp.)
17. Dilens. Belgian schools-seeing hunting (300 pp.)
18. Venetsianov AG - Portrait of a Man (300 pp.)
19. Vladimir Sverchkov - Quay Venice (500 pp.)

LCR 28.01.2009 18:53

Цитата:

Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 204386)
rolls, A where these prices?
If the exhibition Autumn Exhibition of paintings by the St. Petersburg Society of Artists. so most likely it up with the works of old masters made by pupils Academy.

No, Jura, a sum not negligible when compared with the list of purchases for 1915 or 1916, placed Raskatova (which, take this opportunity to thank for his very interesting communication) in another plot. The total amount appropriated for the acquisition - 15000 rub., The most expensive purchase - Kustodiyev (who outdid Repin and someone else of the giants) - 1750 pp. (all from memory, but I think that if wrong, it is insignificant).

It is simply another Reaffirmation that the "modern art is always overestimated compared with the old," as stated in one of my translated articles on the art market:)

IrinaC 28.01.2009 20:44

Вложений: 2
For comparison, in 1905

DSF 30.01.2009 00:59

If you start from the price of bread, the price of 1 pound of white bread in Petrograd in 1907 was 4.2 kopecks. So for 100 rubles could buy 2380 loaves. If you currently take a minimum of 400 grams = 13 rubles., Then it means those 100 rubles. equal to 30940 rubles. now. Although I do not know how justified such a comparison. Here's another: daily wage mason 1.39 p. .. 100 rub. a 72-day work of a mason. How now receives a mason?

Tana 30.01.2009 02:20

Painting "Moonlit Night on the Dnieper River, was sold Kuindzhi AI over 5000 rubles

IrinaC 30.01.2009 02:34

Цитата:

Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 204416)
No, Jura, a sum not negligible when compared with the list of purchases for 1915 or 1916, placed Raskatova (which, take this opportunity to thank for his very interesting communication) in another plot. The total amount appropriated for the acquisition - 15000 rub., The most expensive purchase - Kustodiyev (who outdid Repin and someone else of the giants) - 1750 pp. (all from memory, but I think that if wrong, it is insignificant).

Liana, it was Russia's troubled times. Since 1914, nachala First World War, in Russia, money devalued, was inflation.


"The most intense spiral of high prices has become twisted by the winter 1915-1916 he
At the end of 1916 from 2.44 million workers employed in industry, 86 percent worked in the army.
Food production fell in 1916 to 89, textiles - up to 84 and 59 percent respectively.
Thus in 1916 the average nominal wage worker equaled 478 rubles., Real - 210 rubles. "

dedulya37 30.01.2009 08:23

Цитата:

Сообщение от DSF (Сообщение 205186)
How now receiving a mason?

A current example, has just visited a relative, a mason. He told me, laying a single brick is equal to the price of bricks or a ruble or two less, as a contract.

[color="# 666686"]Posted 6 minutes[/color]
Цитата:

Сообщение от Tana (Сообщение 205236)
painting "Moonlit Night on the Dnieper River, was sold Kuindzhi AI for 5000 rubles

Performing some simple calculations according to the DSF, now it should cost 1 547 000 rubles, or 44 607 dollars on today's rate.

The total amount appropriated for the acquisition - 15000 p =4 641 000 rubles. = 133 823 USD

Meister 30.01.2009 12:04

Цитата:

Сообщение от Sandro (Сообщение 204296)
stunned, what Goya cheap, cheaper, Flemish and French HX

and another was struck Bosch Sales ... even for the early 19 century wonder in my ...

Tana 31.01.2009 00:50

"Night on the Dnieper" AIKuindzhi

Цитата:

Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 205306)

Performing some simple calculations according to the DSF, now it should cost 1 547 000 rubles, or 44 607 dollars on today's rate.

dedulya37 I do not think that 5000 rubles 1880godu match now 44607USD
"" Yes five thousand "- named Arkhip I. unbelievable in those days, almost a fantastic amount. And suddenly I heard in response to" Good. I leave for themselves. "And only after an officer found an artist that he had visited the Grand Duke Constantine."
Still, now 44000 USDne call "a fantastic sum.

dedulya37 31.01.2009 07:53

Цитата:

Сообщение от Tana (Сообщение 205946)
I do not think that 5000 rubles 1880godu match now 44607USD

I do not argue. Maybe I am wrong considered. Try to count you, still it is interesting. If for some data today and the Soviet prices vary a thousand times, then taking into account all monetary reforms and the change of currency, the sum must come out the other. We must ask the count of any professional not to speculate on the coffee grounds.

Цитата:

Сообщение от Tana (Сообщение 205946)
Still, now 44000 USDne call "a fantastic sum.

Now imagine that a big and good work of professional artist was estimated in 1972 to 1200-1500 rubles. That was 10 times greater than the average standard of wages, then the sum of one and a half million rubles at the time did not seem to be fantastic?

Tana 31.01.2009 10:12

Цитата:

Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 206046)

Now imagine that a big and good work of professional artist was estimated in 1972 to 1200-1500 rubles. That was 10 times greater than the average standard of wages, then the sum of one and a half million rubles at the time did not seem to be fantastic?

dedulya37 agrees to 1972goda amount of half a million rubles fantastic, interesting, what now?
if you imagine that you go to the studio to the artist, you see a new picture, still smelling of fresh paint, the artist asks "how-much" and he answers "1mln.dollarov (although our oligarchs that price probably does not ubesh).

раскатов 31.01.2009 11:15

Here's some more information from the same directory 1907.
33. Tyrants - On the Bay of Naples (300 pp.)
35. Fed. Vasiliev - Morning on the Volga (300 pp.) And the entrance to the estate of Count Stroganov (700 pp.)
37. B. Bakalovich - Output queens (400 pp.)
43. Oscar Hoffman - Centauri - 800 pp.
46. M. Jacques - With a glass (300 pp.)
47. B. Schreiber - Lilies (250 pp.)
48. B. Neville - Females (150 pp.)
56. Orlovsky - Sunset (1000 pp.)
58. R. Sommer - Holiday Caravan (120 pp.)
60. Rock: carried the Lord (on the Georgian Military Road) - 150 pp.
62. Platonov - Summer morning in Jukka - 150 pp.
147. FP Riznichenko - Autumn (600 pp.) And the Coast of Crimea (Koktebel) - 225 pp.,
224. Yu Clover (son) - Nature morte (100 pp.)


Часовой пояс GMT +3, время: 06:37.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Перевод: zCarot