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duche2 19.06.2012 00:25

A.N.Novoskoltsev, he seems?
 
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Please express an opinion on the authenticity of the picture. Thank you in advance.

ANTIK 19.06.2012 14:50

Show the opposite direction?

redbor 19.06.2012 16:27

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Signature is similar.
A picture is not very visible in the photo.

The plot does not guessed it yet?

Дилетант 19.06.2012 16:55

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Сообщение от redbor; 2144161 '
The plot is not guessed it yet?

The plot - not quite clear. On the one hand - a pseudo -Russian palace interior , an angry mob at the door, the boy (again - in Russian dress ), frightened , embracing his mother, and blessing the boy one . Like, everything points to Petrusha , Natalia , and the rebel archers . On the other hand : the Queen - in the European dress, with her head uncovered (and this is - if deliberate historicism Novoskoltseva other pictures ) ... Of course, by different authors (from Shteybena - Dmitriev- up of Orenburg ), the plot was interpreted in different ways. But! The very picture - a curve , oblique , with impaired vision and proportions , in a word - no relevant representations about the level of training Novoskoltseva . It seems to me , and not Novoskoltsev , and not the original and a copy of the original unknown (well, not yet been set . Sang all day .)
The signature on the submitted photograph is incised on a dry layer of colorful , raising serious doubts about its authenticity. Something like this , in general.

Кирилл Сызранский 19.06.2012 16:59

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Сообщение от "redbor; 2144161 '
The plot is not guessed it yet?

Poozhe that izbrazhena Archer riot scene in 1682: Natalia Naryshkin, Prince Peter Aleseevich and vozmzhno, boyar Matveyev Artamon.

duche2 19.06.2012 17:02

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Сообщение от ANTIK (Сообщение 2144041)
Show the opposite direction?

  
While other photos there, the picture is not mine, I want to buy

Кирилл Сызранский 19.06.2012 17:02

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Сообщение от dabbler (Сообщение 2144181)
It seems, everything points to Petrusha, Natalia, and the rebel archers.

In-in ...
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Сообщение от dabbler (Сообщение 2144181)
It seems to me, and not Novoskoltsev, and not the original and a copy of the original unknown

Yes, it looks like a copy and not the best, by the way.

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Сообщение от dabbler (Сообщение 2144181)
Of course, by different authors (from Shteybena - Dmitriev-up of Orenburg), the plot was interpreted in different ways.

KORZUKHIN ...
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duche2 19.06.2012 17:09

That suggest, gentlemen?
Asking $ 15,000
   
Not in terms of a definitive answer, but at least it worth to spend time negotiating expertise and Comrades
  
The plot is certainly not positive, but only as an investment.

Кирилл Сызранский 19.06.2012 17:17

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Сообщение от duche2 (Сообщение 2144261)
What will advise, gentlemen?

And why buy?
To further advance or at home on the wall?

duche2 19.06.2012 17:36

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2144271)
And why buy?
To further advance or at home on the wall?


The size of the seller, then at least you said?

   
Look every day for such a picture is difficult, therefore, considered the option purchase as an investment, without a frame size of 87.5 x 115

Кирилл Сызранский 19.06.2012 17:47

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Сообщение от duche2; 2144261"
is it worth to spend time negotiating expertise and Comrades

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Сообщение от duche2; 2144301 '
so the purchase option is considered as an investment

Then the examination , I believe , should take over the seller.
And then you go to the experts themselves , and they are to you - " is a copy ."
And then what? Making a return ? And you get?

duche2 19.06.2012 18:21

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2144311)
Then, the expertise , I believe , should take over the seller.
And then you go to the experts themselves , and they are to you - " is a copy ."
And then what? Making a return ? And get ?

  The proposal looks like , after the calculation of the examination which is held at my expense , if authenticity is not confirmed , I return the money for the examination. It seems the conditions are acceptable.
  Just wanted to clarify the question of the adequacy of the price pattern

Дилетант 19.06.2012 18:23

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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran (Сообщение 2144231)
KORZUKHIN ...


Uh-huh.
And yet - O.Rossinon of the State Historical Museum.
And anyone caught either in the "Picturesque Review", or in the "World illustrations" - I do not remember (but there also was a different song ...)

Кирилл Сызранский 19.06.2012 18:37

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calculation , after examination , which is held at my expense , if authenticity is not confirmed , I return the money for the examination .

Strange complexity. Let them make the examination and its value priplyusuet to its price , for example.

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Сообщение от duche2; 2144341"
It seems the conditions are acceptable .

Gemmoroy of some kind. <! - ~ 11 ~ -> Donating to the examination will be the seller , and you pay for it ?

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Just wanted to clarify the question of the adequacy of the price picture

About the price can be ragovarivat after confirmation of authorship. As long as you have been offered , at best, a copy of the Novoskoltsev , I think.

redbor 19.06.2012 20:00

All the same, the author does not A.Novoskoltsev.
his other work look better.

And the signature, if you compare - although similar in some places, but not him.


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