Painting or gold, the online experiment
 

Friends, I propose to conduct a live experiment among several investment options, offer four choices on how to invest one million rubles from you waiting for investment packages on the market of art.
We form an investment package of commemorative coins for 1 million rubles.
Coin "manifesto abolishing serfdom 155.5. (Gold) price 480 000,
MVD 7.78 2 coins (gold) at 85000,
24 coins Raikin A.I.15.55 (silver) in 5500,
10monet "Pokrovsky Cathedral" (31.1 1.55 Silver Gold) in 7500,
2 most common coin in a series of winter sports sporta31.1 (gold) at 71,500.
Total, 75 000 480 000 170 000 132 000 142 000 = 1000000
Alternative Gold Savings account Paper; prodazha1600 rubles get 625 grams.
The MICEX index; 1616.45poluchaem 618.64 packets.
George Coin 7.78 (gold MMD), we obtain 15 100 66 996 600 coins on.
All calculations Commemorative and Investment Coins produced at the rate of the auction, "Hammer" (minimum selling price excluding marriage and uncomfortable regions), that is, the package can be assembled within 2 days in Moscow, without the risk of getting coins from hand to hand without prepayment .
The MICEX index look at the stock exchange.
Gold by looking at the site of Sberbank.
Subsequently, we note that the sale of coins we lose on the coins of 3%(Commission of the auction).
On the MICEX index, we will pay 13%of the profit as income tax.
For only the loss of OMC bank commission which will be incorporated in the quotes (the bank is not a tax agent in this transaction).
From the experts in the art market waiting for the specific investment packages per million up to April 1, 2012 with the specific positions and prices, without the virtual accelerations, etc., etc.
I'm making a bet on the first package, I plan to return at least 27%per year in rubles.
Every 3 months we do a control calculation, a year later summarize the deadline is April 1, 2013.

You did not include the collateral gold is the easiest option of buying and selling.

I just laid out plain and simple investment schemes known to me where any inexperienced man in the street is fully insured against fraud and may incur additional costs not more than 1 %of the investment (such as opening deposit box , brokerage accounts or MLA) and the ability to track quotes real-time.
Schemes with pawnshops I do not znakomy.Esli you have specific numbers with a description of margin and risk ( white gold from the southern republics, which does not respond to half of the Lombards , inflated test , etc., etc. ) to describe the topic.

I would chose the first , too , but it would include a third chassis royal copper- income may be higher.

as a whole , gold- tool savings -save, on gold is not money , if it grows on the price- a depreciation of money, and gold steady ... not only coin - gold ...
in art, you can earn , if you figure it out ...

To be honest a little surprised, that for two weeks on the forum dedicated to investing in art does not add any specific proposal related to it, so we will just compare the index with the art market ARTIMX.

Very large spread and a year or a little time for art.

The theme of the coin invistitsiyu data can go back a hundred years, so ....
And what * dray kosaetsya * of gold, the result does not force himself to wait
Less aesthetic pleasure.
I think so )))
From SW ..

This is in buying buy drug addicts earrings with traces of blood and gold crown with the dead?

Ugh ...


But what really there "aesthetic pleasure"?

gold crowns from the dead?

With the dead, * Let not the night to be told * this floor troubles ...

That if the living tore ....
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From SW ..

I think the segment in the next 100 years we are not available to you, on this, I propose to consider for example the segment 100 years before that.
For example, consider a commemorative coin in 1912, "Monument to Alexander the third," in common "Tron," the weight of 20 grams, 900 test, circulation 5000 pieces, the price of the coin as a "proof" and the excellent preservation at the moment about 500 thousand rubles.
At that time, the ruble could buy four pounds of meat or a set of bed linen, or anything else from this list: http://petite-louve.livejournal.com/23401.html, that basically corresponds to the price of similar coins (circulation, quality, metal) of modern coinage, which costs 1,700 rubles, that is, the rise in 100 years was approximately 30 times or 3,000%of the food or a metal basket.
Quite a different picture is drawn if we take the paper ruble at that time, from 1912 to 2012 in Russia was six monetary reforms, some of whom wore a confiscatory

If you do not take into account the forfeiture, and only count the zeros of circumcision;
Reform of 22-24 years in the denomination of 50 billion (50 billion times)
The reform of 1947 the denomination of 10.
The reform of 1961 the denomination of 10.
91 and '93 two confiscatory reforms.
1998 denomination in 1000.
50 billion * 10 * 10 * 1000 * 30 (collector's growth), we obtain the result:
150 000 000 000 000 000 (150 quadrillion) times, or 15 000 000 000 000 000 000 (15kvintillionov)%
The picture drawn is fantastic, but against the numbers are not going to object.
Your great-grandfather, in 1912, refusing to 4 pounds of meat, or buy 7 bottles of lemonade, you would have left a legacy of the coin cost 500,000 rubles or the cost of an average car.
Just keep in mind that such a coin as opposed to houses and other dimensional objects can be put in a pocket or buried in the ground, thus avoiding forfeitures are conducted several times the new government, plus the tool investment is not affected by time.

impression,

Not very well (Throne).
Then compare the forefront of the rising cost of the century.

Private Rouble 1912 1913 or 300 years, ideally, is a maximum of 6.4 mp now.

What's the point compared to the ordinary position of a circulation of 1.5 million ,
collector's edition of the growth of a 10-fold less than obtained
50000000000 * 10 * 10 * 1000 * 3 ( Collector growth) , we obtain the result:
15 000 000 000 000 000 (15 quadrillion ) times , or 1 500 000 000 000 000 000 ( 1.5kvintillionov )%
Of course this figure seems flawed in comparison to what it was <! - ~ 1 ~ - >
But this implies only that the long term is better to give preference to a few positions
and not investment coins with millions of copies.
PS; the vanguard of the more interesting at times been able to guess that's just not many <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
if you describe in the vanguard of the figures I think will be very interesting.
The purpose of themes is not to humiliate or to elevate a particular collectible ,
and try to look ahead ,
say so to guess the trend <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Exactly one hundred years, prices for Russian artists can be traced from the topic of "Odessa before the storm» http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=107411

"Classic" from the province, "Academician Aleksandr Popov, a brilliant course of the last of the Academy, eagerly bought up the" average audience ", he appreciated the good pictures" is not expensive, tens of rubles. "
If we assume that his painting was worth 100 rubles., And now-Makimalno $ 50,000. That is, in terms of your "meat equivalent" - was 13 times more expensive.

On the basis of, 'International Exhibition 1909 - 1911 years old, "salons" B. Izdebsky, we can roughly calculate the cost as:
"The avant-gardists" from the Capitals for a Day ", 18 paintings were sold for 4500 rubles." - Who do not know, but part Burliuk, Kandinsky, Malevich ... That is, about 250 p. for the picture. Rose to 500 - 1000 times.

In the same subject shows that a huge number of famous artists of the time simply dissolved with their works. The vast amount.

Conclusions about:
1.Luchshe buy coins, at least not lose;
If itching to do and want to risk:
Two. It is better to buy a home to get famous foreign artists.
Three. Do not buy the artists from the province.
4.Pokupat artists from the capital, and preferably, some members of the association (with one burst open, extended, etc.).

So it is so ....
But this still apply nodo life experience, common sense and what is not what the culture.
And it's not prikupish ...

Investment in gold is a metal , rather than in rare coins made ​​from it that are already falls into the category of antiques , and hence the material is no longer paramount , because then someone advised in this thread and copper coins .
So, it is easy to look for gold investment result in the same site of the Savings Bank - income for the year for gold in the account amounted to little more than 8 %, or less than inflation. But here's a short-term speculation could give a 30%interest in a few months. Now the situation could happen again and again for the winter gold can give a few tens of percent.