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Лиса 18.03.2012 00:00

Painting Semyon Shchedrin? Questions of attribution.
 
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Hello , allegedly painting Shchedrin. Her owners of a family story that the picture acquired by the relatives of the former maid of honor of the Empress Maria Feodorovna. It is not known . Size 26.5 by 39 cm board , oil. Signatures as such, not, in the lower left corner haunted by the letter E and R. But it may be some branches. Actually , I want to find out whether the picture painted by Shchedrin ?

Toinen 18.03.2012 02:07

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Сообщение от Fox (Сообщение 2029051)
board, oil



Oil on canvas, glued to the plywood.

Perhaps the picture was cut from the stretcher.

Игорь Гурьев 18.03.2012 12:37

Hmm.
Maybe Shchedrin, maybe not.


It is possible, among other things, the style is very similar.


This is characteristic of a combination of naive, in general outline, and carefully traced detalek.

Toinen 18.03.2012 12:47

I think the picture in time.
I would not be too lazy to do the examination.

I-V 18.03.2012 12:54

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Сообщение от Fox ; 2029051"
in the lower left corner mereschatsya letters E and R

I was even imagining the end of i N, ie that you can read this : ER i N

In my opinion, it can be argued that it was shown Russian estate the first quarter of the 19th century. But whether the artist was Russian or a foreigner - a question .

On the back of the figures - inv. number? Before anything is written in figures or do I think?


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Сообщение от Toinen; 2029441"
I think the picture in time. I would not be too lazy to make examination .

I agree

I-V 18.03.2012 14:10

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Сообщение от "Fox; 2029541 '
Yes, the numbers in front of something written, but it is difficult to parse.


Written by: CP number 4327

Лиса 18.03.2012 14:15

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 2029561)
Written by: CP number 4327


And that could mean that number?

I-V 18.03.2012 14:19

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Сообщение от Fox (Сообщение 2029591)
And that could mean that number?


Something did not occur in the <! - ~ 1 ~ ->


Now anyone can help, we'll wait.

нина_и 18.03.2012 14:27

Book income?

Лиса 18.03.2012 14:59

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 2029471)
I'm dreaming , even the end of i N, ie that you can read this : ER i N

In my opinion, it can be argued that it was shown Russian estate the first quarter of the 19th century. But whether the artist was Russian or a foreigner - a question .

On the back of the figures - inv. number? Before anything is written in figures or do I think?




I agree

I would like to add that the stories of the former maid of honor in the painting depicts a palace in Ropsha . In my opinion like.

I-V 18.03.2012 19:14

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Сообщение от Fox ; 2029671"
I would like to add that the stories of the former maid of honor in the painting depicts a palace in Ropsha . I think similar .

The idea is that the picture must be at least hint at the gazebo ( although it could appear later.) But considering how often rebuilt in Russia (and before the revolution ) and the manor house were broken , look for compliance , focusing on the early image . The 19th century. - A thankless task. Especially because , in general, manor houses of just this type was very high.

Too bad the picture is not even churches , or even a building for clues . In principle, it may be, of course, Ropsha (and then freylinskoe true story ), but may in fact not be, alas. Clear conclusion , I think , is incredibly difficult . If you just do not meet any signed picture of the first half of the 19th century . with a very similar house, shown with a similar point. And even then , it will be necessary to recheck all the more than once ...

A . Ropsha . 1st floor. The 19th century. (Generally similar to , but again, nothing is absolutely not to say )

Two . Ropsha . 1873

Лиса 18.03.2012 21:19

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 2029961)
The idea is that the picture must be at least hint at the gazebo (although it could appear later.) But considering how often rebuilt in Russia (and before the revolution) and the manor house were broken, look for compliance, focusing on the early image. The 19th century. - A thankless task. Especially because, in general, manor houses of just this type was very high.

Too bad the picture is not even churches, or even a building for clues. In principle, it may be, of course, Ropsha (and then freylinskoe true story), but may in fact not be, alas. Clear conclusion, I think, is incredibly difficult. If you just do not meet any signed picture of the first half of the 19th century. with a very similar house, shown with a similar point. And even then, it will be necessary to recheck all the more than once ...

A. Ropsha. 1st floor. The 19th century. (Generally similar to, but again, nothing is absolutely not to say)

Two. Ropsha. 1873

Of course, I agree with you that it can not be Ropsha. Optionally, you can start a architectural research, raise the archives and look where that Ropsha rebuilt. At this point, without reference to the serious architectural sources, I know about the construction of the palace in Ropsha that "through the colonnade two tiers of windows can be easily seen window Blue Room: on the second floor - is a high rectangular windows on the third floor - in the center of the semicircular window, and on the sides - two round. From Blue Room door leads to the balcony on the second floor, overlooking the Lower Park. building is crowned lightweight wooden gazebo, made in 1795 by Peter the carpenter Prokofiev "
For some reason I thought that the author of the picture could simply depict the gazebo, because the palace is not written very carefully, and he wrote to his bottom. On the other hand, the picture could have been written before 1795 (this assumption, if we check vrsiyu "Ropsha").

I-V 18.03.2012 21:48

Lisa, one thing is clear: artistic quality of the picture and her story - a sufficient reason to conduct a professional examination.
What was said and respected Toinen.

Лиса 18.03.2012 22:32

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 2030221)
Lisa, one thing is clear: artistic quality of the picture and her story - a sufficient reason to conduct a professional examination.
What was said and respected Toinen.

 
Very grateful to all have expressed their opinion.

Сима 18.03.2012 22:55

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Сообщение от Fox (Сообщение 2030161)
picture she received as a gift from the royal family


Where is the picture of the part number CP received?


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