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sem21 22.01.2012 20:56

Experts in Goncharova, what do you think?
 
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Experts in Goncharova, what do you think ......??????

Hello, here is found one picture of Goncharova at auction, as you think real or not ......????

thank you


Natalia Sergeevna Goncharova

(Russian, 1881-1962)

Still Life with Roses

oil on board

signed N.
Goncharova (lower right)

27 1 /2 x 19 1 /2 inches.



Provenance:

Purchased in Paris, 1930's

Estate of Ivan and Nina Kunopka, Montevideo, Uruguay

John Preston 22.01.2012 21:11

Цитата:

Сообщение от sem21 (Сообщение 1933471)
Experts Goncharova, what do you think ......??????

Hello, here is found one picture of Goncharova at auction, as you think real or not ......????

thank you


Natalia Sergeevna Goncharova

(Russian, 1881-1962)

Still Life with Roses

oil on board

signed N.
Goncharova (lower right)

27 1 /2 x 19 1 /2 inches.



Provenance:

Purchased in Paris, 1930's

Estate of Ivan and Nina Kunopka, Montevideo, Uruguay


Maybe the real thing.
Prompt, on which the auction will be sold.
:D>

Кирилл Сызранский 22.01.2012 21:26

Цитата:

Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 1933541)
Maybe the real thing.
Prompt, on which the auction will be sold.
:D>

Here here watch the auction and estimate.

John Preston 22.01.2012 22:11

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1933581)
Here's here look at the auction and estimate.


Well, still no absolute fake, IMHO there are chances that the present ....

Кирилл Сызранский 22.01.2012 22:28

Цитата:

Сообщение от John Preston; 1933651"
Well, still no absolute fake, IMHO there are chances that the present ....

Yes , and , most importantly, inexpensive as just
Цитата:

Estimate $ 15,000 - $ 25,000
Is to purchase these "Roses" , to make good money, if we remember that , for example, " Bells " by Goncharova Sotheby'se went for 6,304,551 USD, " Lilac" at Christies - over 3,305,033 USDA , simply "Flowers" there and even more so for 10,890,964 USD.

Go for it!

sem21 22.01.2012 22:49

Leslie Hindman Auctioneers

John Preston 23.01.2012 01:08

Цитата:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1933671)
Yes, and, above all, cheap is just


Most interesting is that miracles happen ...
Maybe not this time, of course ...
:D>

Кирилл Сызранский 23.01.2012 01:30

Цитата:

Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 1933901)
The most interesting is that miracles happen ...

Of course!

Saw, Shura, sawing!
(c) :D>

Toinen 23.01.2012 01:43

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 1933901)
The most interesting is that miracles happen ...



Even if you believe in miracles, then Leslie Hindman Auctioneers is not Santa Claus.


P.S.
Santa Claus does not exist!
(IMHO)

Игорь Гурьев 23.01.2012 02:50

The point is that the picture is not much worse than other recent Goncharov ...

Toinen 23.01.2012 10:38

Not discussed the quality of the painting, and authorship.

redbor 23.01.2012 14:15

Вложений: 1
Цитата:

Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 1933651)
Well, still no absolute fake, IMHO there are chances that the present.

It is necessary to test a chance.
Pindos just do not understand and did not buy because


Цитата:

Сообщение от Toinen (Сообщение 1933921)
Leslie Hindman Auctioneers is not Santa Claus.

Well, at least in the Snow Maiden pull?

Кирилл Сызранский 23.01.2012 14:21

Цитата:

Сообщение от redbor (Сообщение 1934351)
should try a chance.

So I know.
Must have.

Toinen 23.01.2012 16:42

Цитата:

Сообщение от redbor (Сообщение 1934351)
Well, at least in the Snow Maiden pull?



Outwardly something Transfiguration Tanya recalled.

23.01.2012 18:36

Вложений: 2
Цитата:

Сообщение от sem21; 1933471"
here is found one picture of Goncharova at auction, as you think real or not

Sem21, excuse me for being frank. I do not think you have found, as you found it.
Because the auction is Leslie Hindman, Chicago, Il, USA held on 11 December 2011, and the painting was sold for 10 thousand dollars, then start with these words the topic of this film is not appropriate.

This picture is not in the search database, anywhere information about upcoming auctions it does not. Her other day to find it was not possible, except in the auction results database.

But there was plenty of time (from 11 December until the appearance of your message) to deliver this picture from Chicago to the buyer.
Your interest in this picture explain just one thing - you are the "lucky", which bought it at the Chicago auction.

If the trace on the topic, I showed you how to fake this auction broke under Goncharov (minimum 4), which were previously published in the scandalous books and Bazetu Parton.

At the auction frauds are paving the path. And if you cheat and cheaters udaetsya auctioneer and the buyer, the door of the auction for the flow of fakes is opened very wide. Examples - hundreds of them.

Increasingly, scammers describe the all-time stories and add provenance, which is not possible to verify.

Here we have a such a citation:

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Сообщение от Igor Guryev; 1933931"
The point is that the picture is not much worse than other recent Goncharov ...

Guriev, Igor, except here we are talking about the late work of art Goncharova? Why this comparison?

That's what was written as an auction Provenance:

Provenance:
Purchased in Paris, 1930's

And where purchased? Close to the artist? - No, this would be discussed. In the gallery? The exhibition and sale? - No, because the picture of PA 1930 were very discreet and always stuck to their details to the picture. And there's nothing there.
Painting technique is also not too similar to the hand Goncharova. By the way, he approved of this respected Guriev, Igor, expressed my opinion about this movie before:
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Сообщение от Igor Guryev; 1885511"
have a completely different style Goncharova: awkward, restless.

And the size of the picture is not European. - 69.85 cm x 49.53 cm (27.5 x 19.5 inches)

And not least - leaving the picture at an auction 10 thousand dollars - for the period Goncharov 20-30's, almost the size of 70 to 50 cm !!!!!!

That is, a picture, "kupennaya" in the 30's in PA claims in the category of not so recent works.

Therefore, Sem21, keep up with the news forum, sometimes they save their money helps.

If this picture is owned by Natalia Goncharova and her hand would have been written prior to the 30's, it would look something like the picture number 2 - Natalia Goncharova's painting "Peony."


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