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Евгений 28.06.2008 08:09

Andrei Erofeev dismissed from the Tretyakov Gallery
 
Andrei Erofeev, former curator held in March 2007 the exhibition "Forbidden Art 2006", was dismissed from the Tretyakov Gallery, where he was in charge of the newest trends.

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Recall, for participation in the shocking exhibition "Forbidden Art 2006" Erofeev was charged with inciting religious hatred. Also in his case brought at the request of the Orthodox organization "People's Cathedral", appears Yuri Samodurov, director of the Sakharov Center, which was scandalous exhibition. radio station Ekho Moskvy.

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Pity he was a good specialist.

Nik 28.06.2008 08:24

The specialist may, and good, but the show was indeed very questionable. And then ... I had to think what they do, and anticipate a similar scenario. There does not even matter that ought to be afraid of possible consequences for himself, and that such work could really be offensive to people.

LCR 28.06.2008 10:22

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 12366)
Andrei Erofeev, a former curator held in March 2007 the exhibition "Forbidden Art 2006", was dismissed from the Tretyakov Gallery, where he was in charge of the newest trends.

Recall, for participation in a shocking exhibition "Forbidden Art 2006" Erofeev was charged with inciting religious hatred. Also in his case brought at the request of the Orthodox organization "People's Cathedral", appears Yuri Samodurov, director of the Sakharov Center, which was scandalous exhibition. radio station Ekho Moskvy.

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Pity he was a good specialist.


This is very sad news - and for people interested in contemporary art, and for the most GTG - in fact almost everything in the museum of art is posledni 50 years, collected by the energy and efforts of Andrew.
Indeed, the taint of some too bad he went ...

fross 28.06.2008 12:57

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 12416)
. But it all as one boss flatly deny the facts of the censorship interference.

Was there a history of the period of complete lack of censorship (and the explicit and hidden)? And as censorship, the exact scope of the restrictions imposed by it, affects the quality of work?

Nik 28.06.2008 16:47

Wait a minute. Censorship is everywhere. And in our country at the moment it is more liberal than in other developed countries, in the same United States, Germany, in the same France, finally.

Here are a couple of articles about censorship on the Internet:
http://compress.ru/Article.aspx?id=16103
http://compress.ru/Article.aspx?id=17261


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And then the one who ordered and supervised the case, probably suggested Korobkov use "orthodox argument. Simple and besproygryshny reception! The point is that the investigator without any analysis or criticism takes the side of "Orthodox believers" and protects their picture of the world, their feelings and their arguments as a universal human norm, requiring no additional legitimation. If Orthodox hurt, it means that the product offensive in all cases and for all citizens, if he considers it blasphemous, then, consequently, it really is "really". http://www.aerofeev.ru/content/view/202/1/
And you remember, that resulted in the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in European media. Is that before the war never took place. These things can not joke in any case. So I personally do in this situation on the side of the church. Although I am an atheist.

Nik 29.06.2008 06:56

In fact, the boundary between what is considered offensive and what is not always very blurred. But, nevertheless, it is always very balanced attitude to the selection of works for the exhibition. And, in my opinion, better in this case be safe than to cause resentment of certain groups of people, even if you do not belong to these groups and do not share their beliefs.

No, of course, if the purpose of the exhibition - outrageous scandal and self-promotion by such means, these methods yield the expected result. But then we must be prepared in advance for the consequences. And most importantly, to understand that these consequences can be severe, not only for exhibition organizers, but for many, many other people did with them is not related (as is the case with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad).

Евгений 29.06.2008 07:23

Nik, you know you can on the different attitudes to contemporary art, France, and without scandal, this exhibition took a good conversation here about something else.

Admin 29.06.2008 07:45

Eugene, I ask you, more careful and pouvazhitelnee. Islam - an ancient and highly developed religion and culture, with more ancient than Christianity. Although directly Islam in the modern form originated in the early 7 th century, but it goes to the roots of Sufism - a philosophical and religious system, which many thousands of years. And I assure you, they have, something to learn.

Евгений 29.06.2008 07:54

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Сообщение от Admin (Сообщение 12546)
Islam - an ancient and highly developed religion

Fully agree with you ..

Meister 29.06.2008 11:01

will not dilute the religious polemics ...
But Nik, and who forced these poor believers with glubokochuvstvennoy kind to come to this exhibition and look? If you remember, at the exhibition were made by the false-walls with eyes and it was a warning that it might offend someone else's feelings, ideas, principles, etc. Warn you, just so it does not see to do this was to make a little effort - to close one eye and look the other in the hole. This head is sufficient to protect such people from accidentally viewing. What to plant now for the sake of this scandal? say, we have ignored all the warnings, looked there, but there TAAAAKOEEE! We are so indignant!! swear delirium. Miserable censorship arguments inability to express their grievances and attempt to hide behind the skirts of religion ... Personally, I find it very frustrating. Now prohibit such exhibitions, and then let's ban the same Schiele, he also won pornographic images, they also hurt our feelings! Sorry, but with this approach, you can do anything to turn!!

Nik 29.06.2008 11:38

Friends, let's stop this useless argument. Each has its own truth, and prove to the other that he is wrong, absolutely useless. For this reason, to war, and in light of this any of your arguments have absolutely no weight. It is, and this should be considered.

Meister 29.06.2008 13:06

Nik, the dispute is really important ... because if so all close our eyes and not to discuss ... you know where we slid ...

Konstantin 29.06.2008 15:22

And I will propose other angles to look.
"God has no hands but ours" - it is not my phrase, unfortunately, but accurate.
All that is aimed at insulting God will be punished. Sometimes, just sometimes with a delay. And sometimes very indecent people. Although you call it an insult even though no art.

  This does not mean that the fanatics and "faith" the same thing.
 
Allow all too extreme. For example, drugs - probably too outrageous, but not allow them the same now. Or gay parades (I'm not against them, but parades - no need to) ... and so on.

Meister 30.06.2008 11:18

Konstantin, but what do you see insults?

Konstantin 30.06.2008 14:03

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Meister
I wrote about the "forbidden art of 2006"

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including exhibits - two works by Alexander Savich "From a series of travel MikkiMausa on the history of art, depicting the scene of the Gospel of Jesus Christ's Sermon on the Mount and the stage of taking the Gospel of Jesus Christ into custody in the Garden of Gethsemane, made on the basis of well-known, recognizable (that completely eliminates any ambiguity of interpretation content and focus of these exhibits) engravings by Julius Shnorrfon Karolsfelda by their coloring and placement of exhibits in place of the author (above) of the person of Jesus Christ pictures famous cartoon character MikkiMausa, which is clearly recognizable comic cartoon characters, because the techniques used compounds of the sacred for the faithful Christian image of Jesus Christ and the comical (in a given situation - even vulgar) the image of Mickey Mouse, which are caricatures of Jesus Christ, is extremely insulting and derogatory to the dignity of the Orthodox faithful.
Firmly searching the Internet, could not find the exhibition are paintings, (except one), even at the sites of artists. Embarrassed? Attached - crucifixion - is not an insult?

If you mean that show where the "kissing policemen? That, in my opinion, is simple - garbage. If you will be able to explain to me where's the "high taste" - will be interesting to hear.


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