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Smirnoff 27.11.2011 10:35

Nonconformists in Miami
 
Interesting given us lots of sunny Miami :)>

Sveshnikov, Weisberg, Bruni, Krasnopevtsev, Rukhin, Nemukhin etc.


- Important Art (look at page 93 of catalog)

- Works on paper

Кирилл Сызранский 27.11.2011 12:35

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Сообщение от Smirnoff (Сообщение 1866371)
Interesting auctions provided to us in sunny Miami :)>

Sveshnikov, Weisberg, Bruni, Krasnopevtsev, Rukhin, Nemukhin etc.
 


Not a bad selection.

There, by the way, and today said Eugene Rukhin, and recently aforementioned Alexander Sitnikov and his wife Olga Bulgakov.

Алек Сандер 27.11.2011 13:43

Super-operation.
But this is understandable, yet I collection of Dodge ...
There's a lot more.
:)>

Pavel 27.11.2011 14:09

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Сообщение от Alex Sander (Сообщение 1866741)
Super-operation.
But this is understandable, yet I collection of Dodge ...
There's a lot more.
:)>


So what he is selling them?

Кирилл Сызранский 27.11.2011 14:18

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So what he is selling them ?

 Norton Dodge - economist, Ph.D. , Harvard University and one of the biggest collectors of Soviet unofficial art died of a heart attack on October 8, at the age of 85 years.
  He was one of those who are illegally buying of non-conformists of the sixties and exported them from the Soviet Union . One of those who actually opened the West underground Soviet art. In his collection - about 20 thousand years of work 1956-1986 . All of them are currently in the Museum of Zimmerly in New Jersey.

Pavel 27.11.2011 15:19

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Norton Dodge - economist, Ph.D. , Harvard University and one of the biggest collectors of Soviet unofficial art died of a heart attack on October 8, at the age of 85 years.
  He was one of those who are illegally buying of non-conformists of the sixties and exported them from the Soviet Union . One of those who actually opened the West underground Soviet art. In his collection - about 20 thousand years of work 1956-1986 . All of them are currently in the Museum of Zimmerly in New Jersey .

Not underground and amateur.
Written - interesting lots on display in Miami. So are sold.

Кирилл Сызранский 27.11.2011 15:53

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 1867101)
is not underground and amateur.

Everyone would be like amateur artists from this auction: as Rabin Krasnopevtsev, Rukhin, Sveshnikov, Nemukhin, Sitnikov, Weisberg.

Pavel 27.11.2011 16:47

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1867181)
Everyone would be like amateur artists from this auction: as Rabin Krasnopevtsev, Rukhin , Sveshnikov, Nemukhin, Sitnikov, Weisberg .

They were lovers . Imitate Chagall and Chagall to be a big difference. They are not original , is secondary and that's it.
Art is not underground , if it is being bought by foreigners.

Кирилл Сызранский 27.11.2011 17:03

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Art does not happen underground , if it is being bought by foreigners.

So this is where it has not been seen , exposing not given , the artists have even gone on otcheyanny sheg - set in a vacant lot in Belyaevo, but there was dispersed exhibition, which later became art history as the Bulldozer .
A live - in then something should have been ? Yes , they sold inostranntsam .
You will , incidentally, is also somewhat lucky to sell their works to foreigners, and what you , as I said , not without pride, told the forum.

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They were lovers .

Sometimes judgments about someone say more about the author of these very judgments.
Now is such a case .
 :D>

Pavel 27.11.2011 18:33

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1867391)
So this is where it has not been seen, exposing not given, the artists have even gone to the desperate act - set in a vacant lot in Belyaevo, but dispersed and there that show, which later became art history as the Bulldozer.
A live-in then something should have been? Yes, they sold to foreigners.
You will, incidentally, is also somewhat lucky to sell their works to foreigners, and what you, as I said, not without pride, told the forum.


Sometimes judgments about someone more than just talk about the author of these very judgments.
Now is such a case.
 :D>

These were not just foreigners, but foreigners are respected.
You know me and then it was difficult to set, all the artists is difficult to exhibit. Now exhibit even more difficult. If before the show was free and lasted a month, now generally available. How much does a show in the CHA and the result?
What to say. They do not recognize greatness? I say they are secondary, similar to one another, and another for those who have seen in magazines. Not original. They had been deceived and strangers shopping attention. We must not imitate but to learn and creatively recycled.

Konstantin 27.11.2011 18:42

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they are secondary, similar to one another , and another for those who have seen in magazines .

Give specific examples where the first row of non-conformists alike .
Term - until tomorrow , if not back up his words with pictures - Bunn 1 month for flooding.
All your other messages in this topic will be deleted.

Кирилл Сызранский 27.11.2011 19:04

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 1867491)
You know me and then it was difficult to exposing

When the 'if'?

Bulldozer took 9.15 1974, and you Stroganovka only 80, he graduated from what exhibitions and in the 85th already begun restructuring, lifted all the restrictions and opened the border.

K-Maler 28.11.2011 02:54

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Give specific examples where the first row of non-conformists alike .

Such examples exist and they surprised me . In 1961 . J. Dyne put " shovel " (shovel attached to a headband for fire fighting , vertical installation, all things natural .) Kabakov exhibited his " shovel " (also attached to a headband and also to extinguish the fire horizontally ) until much later.
Walter De Maria has exhibited "minimalism" - blank pages with scratches in the corner. I personally saw the exhibit at the CHA D. Lyon - blank pages with scratches in the corner in 1990.
There are other examples . There is no similarity of examples, but on the secondary ( first row) .

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Сообщение от Konstantin; 1867501"
if you do not back up his words with pictures -

I find it difficult to take pictures of primary sources, but cite the data book Modernism " (Moscow ," ART " 1980. , Third edition ), where published Dzh.Dayn and many other avant-garde , whose works were the subject of the basic idea of ​​repetition , both externally and in fact .

Кирилл Сызранский 28.11.2011 03:25

K-Maler, as I understand, now banid participant was asked to give "specific examples of where the first row of non-conformists alike," and so "nonconformists," we now call artists-members of unofficial art in the USSR, 50 -
80 years.
What does the American Jim Dine?

K-Maler 29.11.2011 04:10

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Сообщение от Pavel; 1867491"
I'm telling you they are secondary, similar to one another , and another for those who have seen in magazines. Not original. They had been deceived and strangers shopping attention. We must not imitate but to learn and creatively recycle .

Discussed and that there is a " secondary " and indeed it is ... possible , without it was not enough. It is impossible also to deny that any of the two " scoops " to be " first".
Paul is not right that they " look alike ", but the repetition of the avant-garde techniques first is the case.


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