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Тютчев 28.10.2011 21:23

Children find out?
 
kids found a way

A child in St. Petersburg from the window of the school office directly during class jumped 12-year-old boy. Death of a child struck by the hopelessness and absurdity. Meanwhile, psychiatrists are alarmed number of child suicides has been steadily increasing.

In the 163rd Central School District, where on the eve of the window during class threw a 12-year-old student of class 6 Dima Factory, now run by psychologists. This was reported by "Rosbalt" school director Lidia Antonova.

Voice of the director completely dead. Clearly, this is a huge human tragedy and the present state of emergency for quite worthy of the St. Petersburg school. According to Lydia Antonova, school investigators are now working to try to find out the reasons which led the boy to suicide, as well as psychologists. It is obvious that such an act - the death of a classmate in front of shestiklashek, including a brother - could not but affect the psyche of young children. The Director stressed that the contacts with psychologists occur only at the request of parents and children.

No details about the identity of the deceased boy and his family for obvious reasons, the director refused to communicate. However, it became known as "Rosbalt" family factory (mom, dad, older brother and a twin brother who died of Dima) was considered quite safe - at least on the account as problematic in the bodies of trusteeship, it was not.

However, experts say, the criterion of "problematic and safely" highly conditional: experts define well-being of the guardianship of the family, based on personal subjective factors, such as for the welfare of one is the normal food set in the refrigerator, but for others - the presence of each individual family member sleeping or working place.
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"Some people seem to oranges in the fridge top income. And the other family can sleep with their children in one bed," sit "on a potato and still be friendly - say experts. - Here indeed: in each cabin - his rattles, so each family drama must deal individually and thoroughly. "

Meanwhile, just a week ago - October 21 - Health Minister Zurab chief psychiatrist Kekelidze has addressed the need to enter the public school prevention program aimed at preventing suicide among children. According to Kekelidze, participation in the program must take teachers, employees of the Interior and the family, and, this prevention, experts say, should be carried out starting from the elementary grades. The reason for that psychiatrists believe the frequent cases of nervous disorders among children and teen suicide rates rise.

According to statistics, in recent years, the number of child suicides and attempted suicides increased by 35-37%. In Russia, from 1990 to 2010, there were about 800,000 suicides. Our country is one of the first places in the world in terms of children's voluntary departure from life (23.5 cases per 100 000 population).
Most often, these efforts are taking (often, alas, is ending his death) adolescents aged 10 to 14 years, and, according to experts, most (almost 80%) is by no means children from disadvantaged families, and quite successful home boys .
 
"Every month, our doctors go on 3-5 cases of suicide attempts among children and adolescents - says psychiatrist highest category of specialized ambulance station St. Petersburg Oleg Aronovich. - By experience I can say that in adolescents, unlike adults people attempt suicide - is often affective reactions, that is impulsive, spontaneous act in response to a strong external stimulus. Most of these suicides naive, childish, for example, drink a bottle of ink or eat a dozen pills analgina. But there is a very severe cases that end with no intensive care bed, and a cemetery. "

According to the psychiatrist, often on the move the kids go to protest the insult to someone or from a desire to attract attention. The worst thing that guys do not understand that joke to death, "a little bit die" can not - will not be going back.

"I still remember the horror stories many years ago when a teenager because of unrequited love drank a bottle of well-known cleaning water pipes - says the psychiatrist. - Doctors and toxicologists, psychiatrists literally wept: the liquid in front of the girl ate the inside, to help her was no one in power at the same time she was conscious and said she only wanted to scare her Vasya or Pete ...".

Among the main causes of child suicides are leading a quarrel or misunderstanding of the parents 'unhappy' love, as well as conflicts with school teachers and bad grades. Recently there were even such reasons as "excommunication" of computer games or unwillingness of parents to buy a new phone, toy, fashion (before, as noted by the doctors, they were cats, dogs and fish, birds).

According to psychiatrists, against the background of spontaneous fact of suicide warning signal are expressed by the child the thought of death, "that you weep, when I will not." Failed suitsidniki say that first fantasized about the future care of life, and then, if not with understanding and support from loved ones, already being the terrible fantasies into reality.

In the case of the Dima factory is not simple: in some sources, the cause of action alleged the child was voiced by two teachers in the quarter and ostensibly it was after the publicity of the fact that the boy went to the window. However, in this version of the affective, spontaneous suicide does not fit the alleged suicide note in which he asks not to blame the teachers in his deed. Therefore, care of the boy's life prepared, and it was not an impulsive reaction. In addition, according to parents, kids in the family is not blamed for poor grades, were due to performance is tolerated.

It is also possible version of an unhappy love affair: According to experts, it is often young people are prone to such a public, outrageous shares to attract the attention of the object of his love.

"Often, children, young people like to" play of passion "in front of everyone. I remember there was a case on the psychological faculty of St. Petersburg State University (then Leningrad) - recalls a graduate psihfaka Larissa Larskaya. - Our 17-year-old classmate (note, by the way - future professional "razrulivatel problems," ie, psychologist) went out the window the audience, from the third floor, right in the lecture. Then it turned out that the cause was a classmate, who considered the young man too "drab and uninteresting." So he decided to show such way his originality. "

What actually happened, find out by investigators. However, it is clear that children need special attention from the adults in the first place - their parents. Children need to know that there are no unsolvable problems, and that any problem can be solved, preferably together. But it is also clear that not all parents are willing to listen to all complaints of their children, and yet you want to participate from an early age.
 
Zurab Kekelidze believes that teaching the psychology of the individual must have in elementary school, from third grade until graduation. Head of department of environmental and social problems of mental health psychiatric center Serbsky Polozhii Boris said that specialists will present its version of the program for one year and is already prepared drafts of the textbook, but on the first tangible results of the prevention of suicides among children will only be a few years.

However, many are skeptical of attempts to teach students of psychology. Much more important, experts say, the atmosphere of love and understanding at home, the family, as well as normal, no nervous atmosphere in the school. In any case, the child should be a place gdeyu he felt safe.

Marina Boitsova

More information: http://www.rosbalt.ru/piter/2011/10/27/905832.html

Тихая Сапа 28.10.2011 21:37

If you have not bought a cake
      And the movies are not taken with the evening
      Parents need to take offense
      And to go hatless in the cold night .
      But do not just
      Wander through the streets,
      And in the thick dark
      Wood to go.
      There, you just wolf
      Hungry to meet,
      And, of course , quickly
      He eats you .
      That's when Dad and Mama will know ,
      Cry , weep and run too .
      And the rush to buy a cake,
      And in a movie with a
      Take you in the evening .


Tyutchev, why start such topics in the forum for art? Kids 'm sorry, but this did not seem to have gathered here .

Peter 28.10.2011 21:52

Lack of love and understanding at home, the family is a key fraza.ostalnoe a consequence, combined with the enormous flow of information (often on a negative basis), with whom the adult person is not always good.

NATA NOVA 28.10.2011 21:59

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Сообщение от Silent Sapa (Сообщение 1823571)
Tyutchev, why start such topics in the forum for art? Kids'm sorry, but this did not seem to have gathered here.
     

agree!

In general, I propose to prohibit chernushnye topics and news website.
even from the names of those taking aback ..
Well, the truth, why?
Well, contrary to the same ..

Peter 28.10.2011 22:09

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Сообщение от Silent Sapa (Сообщение 1823571)
       


Tyutchev why start such topics in the forum for art? Kids 'm sorry, but this did not seem to have gathered here .

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1823611)
agree!
In general, I propose to prohibit chernushnye topics and news website. even from the names of those taking aback .. Well, the truth, why ? Well, contrary to the same ..

Oh, OK, we will discuss gay pride parades ! Question .. sad , but children are our future , and the trend is a bad ...

Тихая Сапа 28.10.2011 22:24

I'm talking about gay pride parades subject not getting up, too, in my opinion to what it is ...
May still about art?

Кирилл Сызранский 28.10.2011 22:41

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1823631)
Oh, OK, we will discuss gay parades !..

Who makes you something to discuss any gay pride parades?

Talk about art, investing in art.

Ksteit, the subject of gay parade in Moscow I opened here this message I
and also invented a joke, by the way.
:D>

Тютчев 28.10.2011 22:49

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Сообщение от Silent Sapa (Сообщение 1823571)
Tyutchev, why start such topics in the forum for art? Kids 'm sorry, but this did not seem to have gathered here .

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1823611)
agree!
In general, I propose to prohibit chernushnye topics and news website. even from the names of those taking aback .. Well, the truth, why ? Well, contrary to the same ..

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Сообщение от Silent Sapa (Сообщение 1823641)
I'm talking about gay pride parades subject not getting up , too, in my opinion to what it is ... May still about art ?

Read this :
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Chatter Talk about everything that goes beyond the main theme of the forum .
I hope everything is clear ?

The forum set of sections and a large number of topics about art ! And if not for what would suit you , create your own and go ... What's the problem ?

Santa 28.10.2011 23:47

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Сообщение от Silent Sapa ; 1823571"
Tyutchev, why start such topics in the forum on the art

Yet strangely enough, I swear .. (just warning you that hurt - one in the mind no) :rolleyes:>
Do not like the topic , and you can not go into it, find a topic in mind (they are a great many here ) and discuss getting a great pleasure ..
(I am here , absolutely not interested in contemporary art, and I do not climb in these subjects with comments and discussion ) ..

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Сообщение от Silent Sapa ; 1823641"
may still about art ?

Problems with the themes of art - no, their weight ..
You can create and discuss their that close again :)>
Only very strange that the themes of art, not very much discussed and :confused:>
You can see the statistics ...
R.S. "Policy" has already been sent , in the garden t.s :D>, and less to go into it did not ..
The question is, why ? :rolleyes:>

NATA NOVA 29.10.2011 00:50

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1823631)
Oh, OK, we will discuss gay parades !..

but it is a pure positive in your, Peter?

K-Maler 29.10.2011 01:25

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Сообщение от Tyutchev ; 1823551"
Zurab Kekelidze believes that teaching the psychology of the individual must have in elementary school , from third grade until graduating from high school

 
It should first teach the teachers , not children ... I seen enough to rudeness and tactlessness when my son was still in high school ... I do not remember this in the early years when she studied, although much has been difficult. I was surprised at how rough treat children and adolescents, shout at them ... Familiar also talking about it ... Good or bad teacher , it mostly depends on how good he is or not ... Children is surely a different mind and abilities , the impression that this situation no one is going to properly take into account ... And then there's the problem , and growing ... Plus, all that is " out of the TV " ...
I apologize to all good teachers know these ...

Santa 29.10.2011 01:50

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Сообщение от Tyutchev; 1823551"
is much more important, experts say, the atmosphere of love and understanding at home, the family, as well as normal, no nervous atmosphere in the school. In any case, the child should be a place gdeyu he felt safe.

Last time often took his niece from a kindergarten and a lot of walking with her. Watching parents and children ... come to dread :eek:>
Parents pull, nervous, aggressive .. children, seeing and understanding this state of the parents have a priori can not be calm and sane .. :(>
Common attribute of mothers walking with children - a bottle of beer and a cigarette in the other hand the phone .. - Whether to children here, and with their children's fears and concerns :(>
And this is a pretty decent by Moscow standards, area of ​​residence.
The kindergarten teachers complain that children often say swear words, and know how and where to use them ..
All this is scary to watch ..
Child (teenager), especially with vulnerable nervous system, it is difficult to resist the "colossus of aggression" in today's world, here in adults roof goes with the rapid rate ..
I feel sorry for today's children, it is .. who can help (who are not blessed with a good understanding parents) to children - I do not knows :rolleyes:>
One would only hope to God G. :confused:>

Peter 29.10.2011 10:43

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 1823851)
.. Plus, all that is "out of the TV" ...
...

Child creates an impact on his actions and to.chto his okruzhaet.Televizor kompyutornye igry.Chto we see .. Cartoons, where the heroes always intrigues and fight for power, always lying, and destroying enemy forces .. cult instead of love. Kompyutornye game in which the blood flows rekoy.Chelovecheskaya life is of no value is fixed in the minds of rebenka.Ya know parents are responsible to appropriate etomu.Televizor included very rare, doses, it is known that the child is not helpful, play more, emphasis on development on tvorchestvo.I then, even they say it is difficult to resist the mud, which tries to cling and of "public places". What can we say about other parents who are lack of time and development does not attend to the possibility of forming a rebenka.Potom it's time to wonder where it came from .. .. we did not teach him this .. place the consciousness in the child's head is not empty is to be filled, but that's what .. Depends a lot on roditeley.Chto promote, what you get .. A do not pay attention, so encourage all kinds of influences, including the bad. (and they are still hidden, zauvalirovannymi), those whom the child is still less can assess it's good or bad.

zarajara 29.10.2011 14:14

I continue to believe that if the theme resonates in the forum, it has a right to exist. Because the members of the forum is interested in the opinion, not someone else. We are all one way or another engaged in or carried away the art, but why not discuss something else, just so happens some community.

On the subject.
I have a few years as fond of anime. Although the daaaleko not a child.
There are not only genres, but the studio and hand some directors and designers. I prefer genre senen (a martial anime).
Often, it's pretty bloody and cruel spectacle, no matter what character drawing. Nevertheless, I think that many of the anime, not only are not harmful, but actually useful children, the issue is that parents need to watch and even better - watch together, discuss, and, of course, there are age restrictions - for teenagers - some movies for kids - others.
In most such anime films and series have a very important message of self-sacrifice, the values ​​of friendship, devotion to the ideals and loyalty to the word. Do these things are less important than, say, the lessons of chemistry? Or are we so often talk about it? And if they say, can really bring it to a child? Many of the anime talk just about the most important, what we do not say never!
Bunnies and Bears Soviet cartoons were good for its time.
Actually, not so easy to understand that it takes the child out and shown how to dispose of it. Sometimes the hardest of the story and pictures are born very light feeling and high morals.
And the most "proper" movie on the contrary generates only banter and cynicism. Terms and bans such things are not resolved.

NATA NOVA 29.10.2011 14:20

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Сообщение от zarajara; 1824131"
In the majority of anime films and series have a very important message of self-sacrifice , the values ​​of friendship, devotion to the ideals and loyalty to the word .

And what about the perfidy , treachery, betrayal , manipulative and authoritarian ?
Like when it's "life review "? - Especially when parents use these techniques in kazhdozhnevnoy life?


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