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Мира 12.09.2011 18:42
Presumably, a student of Petrov-Vodkin
 
Dear experts!
Much to ask !

I would like to know your opinion about this picture.
Provenance is missing, has been bought by me in New York in the junk shop , mid-80s .

Oil. Canvas pasted on board , the state - below average. The hand on his shoulder that stained with : a black horizontal stripe , a part of the paint layer is lost.
The main reason for this treatment - paint flaking . Should I give a picture of a restoration ?

50h29

This work has already shown in another branch, spoke about her Guriev , Igor and Cyril Syzran . Unfortunately , I can not move a piece of dialogue.
Cyril suggested that a possible author - Golubyatnikov, student Petrov-Vodkin.

artcol 12.09.2011 18:59
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Сообщение от World (Сообщение 1769303)
Dear experts!
Much to ask !

I would like to know your opinion about this picture.
Provenance is missing, has been bought by me in New York in the junk shop , mid-80s .

Oil. Canvas pasted on board , the state - below average. The hand on his shoulder that stained with : a black horizontal stripe , a part of the paint layer is lost.
The main reason for this treatment - paint flaking . Should I give a picture of a restoration ?

50h29

This work has already shown in another branch, spoke about her Guriev , Igor and Cyril Syzran . Unfortunately , I can not move a piece of dialogue.
Cyril suggested that a possible author - Golubyatnikov, student Petrov-Vodkin .
And what is the amount you risk paying for restoration work ? 5 tr ? More? How much work will look like after restoration? What will be its value after restoration without attribution ?

Мира 12.09.2011 19:05
It seems to me better to deal with the authorship, and then restored.

artcol 12.09.2011 19:18
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Сообщение от World (Сообщение 1769333)
I think it's better to deal with the authorship, and then restore.
This is a Well as you see fit, I only expressed my opinion.

You simply asked:

Цитата:
Should I give a picture of a restoration?
And other issues in your post, I did not see.

Мира 12.09.2011 19:21
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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 1769373)


And other issues in your post, I have not seen.

You are right.
 
Question: who is the artist?

Игорь Гурьев 13.09.2011 00:10
Who the artist ?
Here in this and the whole question.

And there is no satisfactory answer to this question is impossible to imagine .

I came across a couple of times made ​​under the influence of Petrov-Vodkin's absolutely wonderful things , and they include the above .
Moreover, it is closer in style to the most Petrov-Vodkin.
But who is it?
God only knows.

And it's not as actual painting, there were a CPV of similar level .

As for restoration, it is not very high prices can be at least: to strengthen the paint layer , cutting toned eye - and fairly .

K-Maler 13.09.2011 00:29
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Should I give a picture of a restoration ?
It is, she is not bad ... And the fact that its someone has pasted on a board (perhaps wanting to fix ), could mean that this " someone" knew what she stoyuschaya ... There should be just a little to fix the gelatin layer of paint and clean the lead edge of the order . And do not bother her particularly , do not remove from the board and turn over to another canvas and build upon ...

artcol 13.09.2011 00:46
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It is, she is not bad ... And the fact that its someone has pasted on a board (perhaps wanting to fix ), could mean that this " someone" knew what she stoyuschaya ... There should be just a little to fix the gelatin layer of paint and clean the lead edge of the order . And do not bother her particularly , do not remove from the board and turn over to another canvas and do not append ...
Cleaning can also help answer the question of authorship .

Santa 13.09.2011 00:52
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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 1769743)
They should just fix a little colorful gelatin
Gelatin, as a means to strengthen the painting is not very welcome ..

It is best to use the sturgeon, rabbit glue ..

Мира 13.09.2011 04:29
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Сообщение от Santa (Сообщение 1769803)

It is best to use the sturgeon, rabbit glue ..

Directly from the rabbit make glue?
:confused:>

Santa 13.09.2011 04:44
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Just so , from a rabbit make glue ?
Fish ( sturgeon ), glue , derived from the swim bladder and fins sturgeon is the best in quality, but expensive and scarce material.
Therefore, it is often ( sturgeon glue), replaces the glue mezdrovy rabbit ..
Membrane - a layer of subcutaneous fat on unmanufactured leather, fur.


Peace, something like :)>

Мира 13.09.2011 08:06
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Сообщение от Santa (Сообщение 1770053)
Fish ( sturgeon ), glue , derived from the swim bladder and fins sturgeon is the best in quality, but expensive and scarce material.
Therefore, it is often ( sturgeon glue), replaces the glue mezdrovy rabbit ..
Membrane - a layer of subcutaneous fat on unmanufactured leather, fur.
I read you , Santa, I envy knowledge and regret that I did not go to learn from the restorer.

She looked again at the picture in the upper right corner something is painted , suddenly , a signature ? How to wash off the paint in the home ?

Кирилл Сызранский 13.09.2011 12:21
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Сообщение от World (Сообщение 1770063)
How would wash away the paint in the home?
"In domashnik conditions" and the author's coat can "wash away".
:eek:>

Do not you have experimented, huh?

Игорь Гурьев 13.09.2011 14:54
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Сообщение от World (Сообщение 1770033)
Just like that, make glue out of a rabbit?
:confused:>
From rabbit skins.
It's called hide glue.

In Russia there was very little known.
For example, the painter Viktor Ivanov never used until I have him in this century has not brought a try.

Мира 13.09.2011 18:01
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1770283)

Do not you have experimented, and?

OK, I will not experiment.


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