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iside 06.09.2011 10:04

Market appeal of video art
 
Good afternoon, everybody!

Gentlemen, after a visit to the Venice Biennale, I was left impressed by the number of video art in the halls. The situation looks as if the lack of projector in the pavilion is like a sign of bad taste or a dense retardation. Number of times a roller at the Biennale has exceeded the number of films viewed by me in the cinema over the past approximately 5 years, and of course reviewing all these moments, I had a desire to understand all this better. I hope there are members on the forum with expertise on the topic and willing to participate in the discussion.

Phenomenon and the essence of video art is really interested in me, of course, unfortunately, the forum is only 2 threads about this Video Art (X Media Forum) and A few words of Pablo Almodovar and video-art, but more all I'm interested in the technical and practical issues related to video art.

Let's start with the primary market. I have a huge desire to organize a project with video. As I understand there are 2 ways to present this video to a projector or monitor. Ie video on the disc, the question arises whether this is a simple disc (dvd) or a blyurey, or what?

How do you sell? Sale of the disk? Should there be a copy protection? How many copies are there? In general, how much production beginners video artists? Is there a secondary market?

Vladimir 06.09.2011 11:20

as far as we know, video (movies ) are usually sold on a hard drive instead of optical media. The story goes that someone is selling a solution immediately with plasma. As such, collecting dust on a shelf just will not . We sell a few video galleries , XL exactly Regina is likely. Planned material on this topic.

iside 06.09.2011 11:34

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it is known, video (movies ) are usually sold on a hard drive instead of optical media. The story goes that someone is selling a solution right away with a plasma

That is, there are video films in a single copy or a still Draw products ?

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We sell the video a few galleries , XL exactly , Regina , probably

Both galleries were closed when I visited the winery during the summer :confused:>

Vladimir 06.09.2011 13:19

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Сообщение от iside (Сообщение 1760913)
That is, there are video films in a single copy or is it still Draw products?

Most of all - a small circulation.
But we must understand that this is all very relative.
Digital copies are no different.

iside 06.09.2011 13:36

Vladimir, thanks, something began to dawn .

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it is known, video (movies ) are usually sold on a hard drive instead of optical media. The story goes that someone is selling a solution right away with a plasma

Now I have all the same question at the price, what should it be , if sold together with the plasma ? And if the plasma is out of service after 3 months ( and the disc was burned ) , then what? Where does the issue of technical safeguards between seller and buyer ?

Another such moment: if the video is sold on the hard drive , then you can copy it , and for example a tricky customer , may have to return to the gallery next to the attempt to return the money , bringing the disc back and came up with some bullshit.

Vladimir 06.09.2011 13:39

There was a lecture researcher of Russian video art Dzheuzy Antonio (very passionate man ) and he said that circulation of videos of Anna Ermolaeva , Sergey Bratkov , Blue soup, Victor Alimpiev and others fly to the international fairs like hot cakes. In Alimpiev the way, today in Regina Exhibition opens. I'll go - asked around .

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That I still question the price, what should it be , if sold together with the plasma ? And if the plasma is out of service after 3 months ( and the disc was burned ) , then what? Where does the issue of technical safeguards between seller and buyer ?

This is a picayune technical issue . You can buy another plasma , and video - to recover from the author's copy . Sharks under warranty mend , and there is some plasma .

iside 06.09.2011 13:55

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I Alimpiev, by the way, today in the Regina Exhibition opens. I'll go - asked around

Vladimir, Ooh, it would be great! :)>
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This is picayune technical issue. You can buy another plasma, and video - to recover from the author's copy. Sharks under warranty repairing

Well, the shark there another price order.
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video editions of Anna Ermolaeva, Sergey Bratkov, Blue soup, Victor Alimpiev and others fly to the international fairs like hot cakes

So I too have heard about as well, but there were other names. And yet what the order of prices: for starters, on the average levels of fame and masters?

If anyone is wondering, the most interesting video work was presented at the Pavilion of Japan, there were some spets.effekty when the video was projected not only on the wall, but move smoothly to the floor and it was without bounds, and after a time it became unclear whether you go on the wall, or on the floor and this caused strong emotions.

In the Russian pavilion was also zalchik from video, and stood at the entrance and computers, where it was opened to the YouTube video by the same authors, which were projected in the courtroom.

Vladimir 06.09.2011 14:10

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Another such moment when the video is sold on the hard drive , then you can copy it , and for example a tricky customer , may have to return to the gallery next to the attempt to return the money , bringing the disc back and came up with some some bullshit .

So what? Many authors can see video in youtube - no special problems . Buyer is important not only exclusive content, and that its work will participate in the fairs ( with an indication that the collection of such and such will be included in the book ...), etc.

Konstantin 06.09.2011 14:46

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Buyer is important not only exclusive content, and that his work will be to participate in exhibitions

All this is somehow questionable. It's like buy a DVD for $ 20 000 with a film that you can buy anywhere for 150-500 rubles. and then download from the network. So what? Strongly it will be easier from the fact that someone somewhere will say " From the Collection of ...."?

Vladimir 06.09.2011 15:51

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All this is somehow questionable. It's like buy a DVD for $ 20 000 with a film that you can buy anywhere for 150-500 rubles. and then download from the network. So what? Strongly it will be easier from the fact that someone somewhere will say " From the Collection of ...."?

The difference is huge. You would not give a reproduction of the original ? Or wear a Chinese - replica watches like Omega. While all seems . So here the owner has an inner sense that he has first-rate material. Proud of it, shows your friends. Suppose someone thinks eccentricity , but it is an occasion to explain the position to tell you why now buy the video. And then, it can also one day sell as the original thing .

fross 06.09.2011 20:37

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 1761223)
The difference is huge. You would not give a reproduction of the original ? Or wear a Chinese - replica watches like Omega. While all seems . So here the owner has an inner sense that he has first-rate material. Proud of it, shows your friends. Suppose someone thinks eccentricity , but it is an occasion to explain the position to tell you why now buy the video. And then, it can also one day sell as the original thing .

Do not forget to fill out something ( a beautiful , complex, ambiguous ) of idle home screens ( Plasma , LCD , 3D , etc. .) , Especially considering the catastrophic decline in film and TV, and sometimes complete failure is all the more (still < ! - ~ 1 ~ ->) sane people from viewing them.

Маруся 07.09.2011 16:11

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Originally Posted by Konstantin View Post
All this is somehow questionable. It's like buy a DVD for $ 20 000 with a film that you can buy anywhere for 150-500 rubles. and then download from the network. So what? Strongly it will be easier from the fact that someone somewhere will say " From the Collection of ...."?
The difference is huge. You would not give a reproduction of the original ?

The difference is really huge , though , because there is still a copyright (or at least its appearance in the form of a whole volume of the Civil Code ). And it's right there and there is a matter of whether there is a single copy job , whether it was limited edition , or it was sent by the author in the free swimming in the 'Net ...
But the purchase of unauthorized digital copies ( which does the quality of the original is no different ) is aiding piracy. I do not know ... but hope that maybe someone is easier from the fact that he is not saved money , and respecting the law ... Sooner or later everything will come back .

iside 15.09.2011 21:14

On Sunday I will have a very interesting meeting, after which I very much hope that I get all the detailed information and a video-arte.

In the meantime, I went to the site to Christie to still see the names and results on the secondary market and the following picture.

Video art is not so easy to find, it is they are in the category Installations & video art such positions only but then if an additional filter it with the word video will only have

It is unclear why such different results, with the first search also get pictures and photos without a hint of the video. So we have to find the most frequently mentioned authors.

Here for example, an artist, PAIK NAM JUNE The most expensive of his works were sold for $ 544,580 sold in May this year and - Sold in May last year, the work he has totally awesome and have been sold in sufficient numbers to say that the author is of interest. More expensive than those of the video can not find, so it probably is the highest bracket, which I personally encouraging. But still it's not just video, it's video installations.

Just the video on the monitor is the most expensive in Bill Viola, which was sold for in November 2005. [/URL]

Slightly lower price for Bruce Nauman

An interesting description of Lot:
video tape installation
Part I: 60 Minutes
Part II: 52 Minutes
Executed in 1985. This work is number thirty-five from an edition of forty and is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity signed and dated by the artist.


that just answers the question about the performance of video lottery, and certification.

Next comes a few more papers by the authors mentioned above and before reaching the threshold of $ 100K there is a new author Pfeiffer [/URL]

Working with a very interesting name Prologue to the Story of the Birth of Freedom , but from the description that still exists video recorded on the disk, then it is not clear why more and cassettes.
one compact disc, two VHS video tapes, two LCD video monitors
each LCD video monitor: 5 ¼ x 6 ½ in. (13.3 x 16.5 cm.)


This is followed by price in descending order Wallinger [/URL], Thater [/URL], and then a LEE LEE NAM thumbnails of all who sold works equipped with different pictures, processed in Photoshop, I wonder what was on the video, Price range from 64 thousand to $ 22

Allora & Calzadilla interestingly, after participating in the Biennale this year will grow as their quotes. Yuesey Pavilion was one of the best, in my opinion. I looked him in the end already, I do not remember whether there was video, but the performance of the tank was unbearable clatter and noise.

Tony Oursler, finally the video that was sold with the projector and even with the panel to project.
Of Lisson Gelleri, which recently opened its branch in Milan, by the way.

Marina Abramovich only somehow even a bit surprising when it is a known and active

Jeanne van Heeswijk & Marten Winters sold € 2,500 [/URL] estimate: € 3,000 - € 5,000 and it looks like this lot, and completes all the pricing ladder.

Done, can someone come in handy :)>

Vladimir 15.09.2011 23:02

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Сообщение от iside (Сообщение 1773223)
but still it's not just video, it's video installations.

Probably, this is not the format but in the name.
Nam June Paik - the inventor of video art.
There is also a historic role is important.
Therefore, the most expensive.

iside 15.09.2011 23:16

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Nam June Paik - the inventor of video art.

Not willing to argue, after all the video art for me until a new topic, but I recall that I read an article about video arte (I think the flash artifact), and there were other names of the authors, presented the first video, I'll try to look for.


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