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Meister 24.06.2008 17:40

Unbelievable sale of flags at Sotheby's
 
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Then view the results in the case of Russian auctions, and came to the auction, which sold 4 of the American revolutionary flag of 1779-1980 period. And despite the fact that two of them were sold, the remaining two left. The most important thing is the price for which they had left: one for 12,3 million U.S. (4 times above the estimate, Fig. 1), second in 5 million (within the estimate, Figure 2).
It should be noted that this was 2 years ago.

Are the flags really can cost so much ?????

Nik 25.06.2008 06:46

The left is really more similar to the flag. Brighter and more elegant, expensive look. But the right pillowcase for the pillow rather similar. Because cheaper, probably. :)

Vladimir 25.06.2008 17:36

They love their history
 
People are not very long story, any time it is especially valuable for them, their country loved, earn well, why then the flags can not cost so much? I occasionally look on Discovery Chanel transfer of American Shooter (in our translation of "magic weapons") and is always amazed at how thoroughly examine the Americans in its history, making the reconstruction of the events in "Soldier" played, the technique is reduced, firing replica of an ancient weapon - enthusiasm , mixed with the patriotism complete. So it does not cause much surprise.

Meister 25.06.2008 18:19

I just hard to understand how a cloth, which had thousands of copies, can cost so much money. In my opinion, the art market is surging.

Nik 25.06.2008 21:11

I think the flags should be unique. They probably belonged to some military units, participated in the war of the North-South. And in this case they are really unique and valuable. And though ... You did write that it 1779-1980 (whether 1980 or still 1780?). A war of North and South was in 1861-64. So it's really the other flags. But still, in my opinion, not limited edition.

Meister 25.06.2008 21:27

sorry, sealed, of course - 1779-1780

Евгений 26.06.2008 19:50

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 10766)
Are the flags really can cost so much

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more as a stand, and handmade carpets, Gabel this period? Prices too with 6 zeros ..

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Meister, Simply Uzbek Suzane (19 beginning of 20 century), and sometimes surpasses the value of 20-30 m ve.

Meister 27.06.2008 16:04

Interestingly, while this style of art is an investment potential? ))

Евгений 27.06.2008 18:11

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 12126)
have any kind of investment potential

And not just there, and huge, standing little things .. 16-17 age virtually none.

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Auction house Osenat displays for sale items of furniture and art from the mansion Masserano:
.... No less interesting ensemble designed, apparently, in St. Petersburg at the beginning of XVIII century and consisting of eight silk wall panels with allegorical images of months of the year. The ensemble is divided into three lot to estimate: from € 20 thousand to € 35 thousand each ....

Nik 27.06.2008 20:02

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auction house Osenat displays for sale items of furniture and art from the mansion Masserano:
.... No less interesting ensemble designed, apparently, in St. Petersburg at the beginning of XVIII century and consisting of eight silk wall panels with allegorical images of months of the year. The ensemble is divided into three lot to estimate: from € 20 thousand to € 35 thousand each ....

I would say that is cheap. 18-th century, such a unique thing - if still in good condition, not a fake (and silk, as I understand it, is extremely difficult to forge, if at all possible) - should cost much more. But, apparently, yet not too good condition. If silk and wiped the image faded, it seems, the price is right. Silk in fact impossible to restore. In the same St. Petersburg in the palaces of the old silk wallpaper change on the replica. And rightly so, in my opinion. Because those old silk wallpaper without tears will not look. From them, nothing left. And not because they were kept in poor conditions. Just silk is not preserved for so many years, as you it may contain. Probably, and now sell all those old panels, which have replaced the replica. Then just do not mind. And the price is right. Moreover, suppose that for this price will be difficult to sell. Decorative element, no - they can not see anything. And who are they needed then?

Евгений 28.06.2008 07:11

Silk tapestry, this unique things, their value reaches 300-500t.evr and vyshe.17-18 is the age of rarities, collectors looking for them around the world ..
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Сообщение от Nik (Сообщение 12236)
and that for this price will be difficult to sell.

Here you are wrong by 100%, the main buyers of carpets, various textile products: Emirates, the United States, France, the Islamic world .. people are very rich as you ponimaete.Problema one: very few things ..
(I did that for a long time when he lived in Tashkent).

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Сообщение от Nik (Сообщение 12236)
as Peter in the palaces, old silk wallpaper change on the replica.

This is the usual stupidity, Russian (Soviet) museum staff .. Same as in the Tretyakov Gallery to replace all the pictures on modern copies, but will certainly beautiful, but a modern copy, she has a copy (absolutely uninteresting thing)

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If the silk and wiped the image faded, it seems, the price is right. Silk can not be restored because

. The price is almost vliyaet.Tsena increases sharply, from time izgotovleniya.Kusochek carpet 16 th century, can cost as the ten most beautiful 19 th century tapestries.

Meister 30.06.2008 11:14

Eugene, and if silk fade, then how can we assess what it depicts? or is it restored?

Евгений 30.06.2008 11:21

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 12966)
how can we assess

Main score: the time of manufacture of textile products of the carpet, tapestry, etc.

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 12966)
is being restored?

Typically not restore unless torn ..

Meister 30.06.2008 11:47

Eugene, that is, even if it is faded and is a piece of cloth with pale color inserts in some places, it is still estimated by date of creation?

Евгений 30.06.2008 12:31

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 13046)
evaluated by creation date

All right.
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  A flag-all in perfect condition (for 250 years). Plus certainly an interesting provenance.


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