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polimpa84 29.07.2011 16:18

Signature - a symbol of
 
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Hello!

That such work, X /M is labeled on the plywood, 93h127sm

At the bottom was a lot of scree and the signature is left only

character because of kryleshek and 57

Can anybody seen this?

And it may be a plot?

polimpa84 29.07.2011 16:19

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Кирилл Сызранский 29.07.2011 18:03

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Сообщение от polimpa84 (Сообщение 1723991)
and from signatures remained only

character because of kryleshek

Do you think this is a signature?

Maybe it's the remnants of pagan robes character that baptism in this story takes?

Тихая Сапа 29.07.2011 18:06

Green wings with ribbon and white wings resemble knights helmet plumes, which were crowned with emblems.
The iconography is quite Heralds.
I suspect that the talus was destroyed arms, which were read by contemporaries as a surname.

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Wings usually depicted in pairs , with their position - either directly or profile - depends on the position of the helmet. If the helmet is turned upright, wings outstretched depicted on his helmet , turned in profile , the wings are depicted in parallel, with pointed ends facing backward . On the ancient coats of arms with gorshkovidnye helmets, wings depicting a stylized , more like a board, colored pens or a seated individual feathers. With the development of heraldry and a departure from primitive forms of Gothic wings have become more natural look. The wings are painted in accordance with the tinted shield , and as panel boards , and sometimes repeats the image on it the primary and secondary figures . Sometimes placed between the wings of a minor
coat shape (eg star or rose), depicted in the coat of arms.

Тихая Сапа 29.07.2011 18:18

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Wings usually depicted in pairs , with their position - either directly or profile - depends on the position of the helmet. If the helmet is turned upright, wings outstretched depicted on his helmet , turned in profile , the wings are depicted in parallel, with pointed ends facing backward . On the ancient coats of arms with gorshkovidnye helmets, wings depicting a stylized , more like a board, colored pens or a seated individual feathers. With the development of heraldry and a departure from primitive forms of Gothic wings have become more natural look. The wings are painted in accordance with the tinted shield , and as panel boards , and sometimes repeats the image on it the primary and secondary figures . Sometimes placed between the wings of a minor
coat shape (eg star or rose), depicted in the coat of arms.

polimpa84 29.07.2011 18:32

I thought so too, and that the figures for next time?

If the year, then it hardly written above the signature

or near the bottom or

Maybe I'm wrong

Us-tin 29.07.2011 18:38

The subject recalls "The Baptism of Clovis' ...
Pokopaytes in the Internet ...
What if ...

Тихая Сапа 29.07.2011 18:40

Alas, we'll never know.
The surviving figures could be just the top line on the accompanying label (could be a specified place, a comment, etc.).
Know who would baptize, maybe it could be a clue.

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It is unlikely that Clovis.
Without touching the clothing and surroundings, it seems to me that the young man in a red cloak in the foreground shows a very good reason.
At Clovis did not mention anything.
Must be at least something, or lily dove

polimpa84 29.07.2011 18:59

I bought this painting as a work presumably Johann Michael Rottmayer

but he has years of life 1654-1730, and here I was confused by the numbers 57

But the plot said that this "baptism of Paul," and here I have doubts

I really do not know anything about anything in church affairs and characters

Кирилл Сызранский 29.07.2011 19:17

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Сообщение от polimpa84 (Сообщение 1724221)
I bought this painting as a work presumably Johann Michael Rottmayer

Who is the author suggested, I wonder?

The seller, apparently?

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Сообщение от polimpa84 (Сообщение 1724221)
And on the subject was told that this "baptism of Paul"

It's hard.

Apostle Paul baptizes the bishop.
Hmm ...
:)>

polimpa84 29.07.2011 19:25

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1724243)
Who is the author suggested, I wonder?

The seller, apparently?


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It's hard.

Apostle Paul baptizes the bishop.
Hmm ...
:)>


Of course the seller :)> well, someone is now believed to sellers ;)>

So you want to uncover the truth

Кирилл Сызранский 29.07.2011 19:30

polimpa84, as for me, so this thing at the XIX century.

Wladzislaw 29.07.2011 21:29

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1724273)
polimpa84, as for me, so this thing is all of the XIX century .

Should be earlier . There really Kleynod of arms. In the 19th century . practically no longer painted coats of arms in his paintings , very rarely in the portraits .

X-ray, perhaps, shows the remains of arms and numbers. Incidentally, the year is often soprovazhdal coat of arms on the pictures and inscriptions as well as could be.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.07.2011 21:43

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 1724333)
There really Kleynod of arms.
In the 19th century.
practically no longer painted coats of arms in his paintings

From late redrawn, perhaps.

Тихая Сапа 30.07.2011 10:11

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 1724333)

X-ray, perhaps, shows the remains of arms and numbers.
Incidentally, the year is often soprovazhdal coat of arms on the pictures and inscriptions as well as could be.


If a layer of paint flaking, but judging by the pictures and showered loss toned, nothing at all X-rays did not show.


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