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tunec33 25.12.2008 20:40

Authorship - Morozov AI (1835-1904)?
 
Вложений: 3
I would like to confirm the authorship, as well as understand the extent of the value of this painting.
Author - Morozov AI (Signed "A. Morozov)
"Hunters campfire"
Oil on canvas. 35x47 cm
Good condition.
Stored in the family from before the war, more ranyaya's background is unknown.
Photos (two versions of light) and photo signatures priattacheny.

tunec33 25.12.2008 20:46

Вложений: 3
Since 60-ies a picture stored on the mezzanine, along with another "carton", by which apparently, to hang on the wall. This "carrier" cardboard on the back of a signature (already "post-revolutionary") - "A. Morozov. Hunters around the campfire," for which actually makes sense to judge the name ...

Cardboard picture is rather thin, slightly flexible.

Photos of all this here.

SergeiSK 25.12.2008 20:50

tunec33,
By signature in the handbook Solovyov, AI Morozov had a slope of letters in the signature in the other side and put under the signature of a year writing the picture, although the latter is not an argument. Maybe this is another Morozov, the benefit of a common surname?

tunec33 25.12.2008 20:53

There is also a "Soviet" Morozov AI - Full namesake ...

SergeiSK 25.12.2008 20:56

Цитата:

Сообщение от tunec33 (Сообщение 164556)
signature "A. Morozov"

There is such Morozov, correctly. But in 1917, when the canceled the letter "v", he was 15 years old.

tunec33 29.12.2008 19:41

It seems to be no other "pre-revolutionary" Morozov know ...

Or is any early /late work, and so the signature is different?

Comparing with other similar ( "content") paintings:

Rest on haymaking
summer day
Landscape with cottage, thatched
Landscape with trees

I like the manner of this "hunters around the campfire" on AI Morozov, or not?


But maybe it was all modern "Morozov AA" ??... (see for example here)


Where else would be useful to ask these questions? Maybe there are well-known specialists in art? (For example, someone wrote the thesis or a diploma on it, etc.)

SergeiSK 29.12.2008 20:22

tunec33,
In Common rating has twelve Morozov. None of them are not suitable to the authorship of your work for years of life. Well, unless this work is not written by two of them in 15 and 16 years of age. If you think that the last letter is not "v" and "a", it could be Morozov. These years of life is also not suitable. But there Alexey Morozov-Las (Lasso) 1896-1965 GG which could well be the author of your work. Unfortunately I do not familiar with his work and nothing more to say can not. Search and compare his work.

Цитата:

Сообщение от tunec33 (Сообщение 170076)
Maybe, there are well-known specialists in art?

Certified art there is in this forum. It is strange that they ignore your questions.

tunec33 30.12.2008 16:34

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 170086)
tunec33,
But there Alexey Morozov-Las (Lasso) 1896-1965 GG

He engaged in registration books in the prewar era, wrote a picture - do not know ...

tunec33 13.01.2009 21:02

Is it possible to assess the pattern of the photo "the degree of professionalism" of the artist?

Ie if this is an amateur level, then we can definitely say that the author - just a namesake Morozov.

If you like the "professional", while more complicated because probability of the two "Morozov" professionals in pre-revolutionary times ( "v") is very questionable ... Is it possible in this case as something to compare this picture with these here? To appear or has ceased to exist on suspicion of "early" Morozova, etc.

Does it make sense in such an uncertain authorship order a full examination, or whether it would be a risky waste of money?

SergeiSK 13.01.2009 21:59

Цитата:

Сообщение от tunec33 (Сообщение 187246)
Does it make sense in such an uncertain authorship order a full examination

I think that it is not necessary, because value assessment may exceed the cost of this work.

Цитата:

Сообщение от tunec33 (Сообщение 187246)
Is it possible to evaluate the picture on the photo "the degree of professionalism" of the artist?

Here is more of a "semi-" may be a graduate of art school or a self-taught talent.

tunec33 15.01.2009 19:35

Цитата:

Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 187346)
I think that it is not necessary, because value assessment may exceed the cost of this work.

Here is more of a "semi-" may be a graduate of art school or a self-taught talent.

What is theoretically suitable for "early Morozov AI" . But the cost of the examination (tysch. 25) will obviously cost more pictures, even in this "best" case. : (

Or frost-Lasso, but again, early (once more with "v").


In general, not a museum painting ... Wherever her up?

tunec33 20.01.2009 17:29

Strange ...

Received e-mail from the Russian Museum. Photos sent there a month ago, with a similar question (whether to make examination or as soon as they understand everything.). Moreover, under the sauce, he wanted to convey a picture in a museum, but would not want to make people laugh museum workers, etc.

Here is their response:
Цитата:

The Russian Museum does not hold scientific advice on the art-nature photography. Scientific advice is carried out within 1.5 months and costs 17,700 rubles. Constitute the treaty and the expiration of advice, you will be issued letter on the letterhead of the Russian Museum to confirm or not confirm this or that artist. The picture should bring to the museum.
How will we take? Just a form letter?

Кирилл Сызранский 20.01.2009 17:38

Цитата:

Сообщение от tunec33 (Сообщение 197326)
The picture should bring to the museum.

And so it is.
To me, the answer is fairly short, but exhaustive. All told, explained ...
And what do you want?
Expert opinion by e-mail get?

tunec33 20.01.2009 18:03

Цитата:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 197336)
And so it is.
And what do you want?
Expert opinion by e-mail get?

Of course not.

Originally wanted to give the painting to the museum (including free). But to know in advance, and not whether they would send me to her, or whether she lost in the vaults ...

Judging from the discussion here on the forum, the authorship is doubtful, but the quality corresponds to the "semi". As for the idea should have been clear and RM. However, instead of "excuse me, but this is unlikely Morozov, they offer me to pay (for the same response) 18 thousand and that after the proposal to give them free ...

In my opinion, the answer is already known to them, the picture is not needed, but want to exploit the situation and "peel money: - /

Кирилл Сызранский 20.01.2009 18:41

Цитата:

Сообщение от tunec33 (Сообщение 197346)
picture is not needed, but want to exploit the situation and "peel the money": - /

Your picture of course is not needed, and without your "18 thousand" they're not lost, I think. But watching her will, if you brought, but it is already worth the money.


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