Approximate cost of restoration work in Russia?
 

How much is the estimated cost of restoration work by a specialist based on the state of the canvas 70 x 100:

- Loss of paint layer
- Damage to the paint layer
- Peeling paint on the ground
- Paint peeling from the base
- talus
- craquelure
- Cracks on canvas
- Torn canvas
- Tears on the canvas ( breaks , voids, and burn marks )
- Darkening the background

I understand that without a visual inspection to assess the restoration work is extremely difficult. Just want to know about how much to rely ?

All very individual. Prices depend not only on the amount of work , but also on the timing and level of performance zhlobovatosti all stakeholders. If you are interested in a specific thing to show it several restorers (preferably alive , but not in the photo) by one of their responses and get an idea of ​​the amount of future investments.

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In the case. The fact that you listed , I used to call a complete cycle of works. That's about 1.5 months of work minimum, including drying. A good specialist receives 50 thousand rubles per month , an amendment to the drying , the cost of 25 to 60 thousand, plus materials (paints, stretcher work , new subframe , good canvas dublirovlochny know how much it costs ? , Chemicals , paints and etc. , etc.) . Plus workshop (rent, security (!!!!), other staff ), plus warranty , plus the reputation of the shop. Total from 15-20 to 60-100 thousand.


The spread is huge. But the problem about the car perfectly shows why such a spread.

Not very well said.

Can somehow put pointelligentnee :rolleyes:>, yet I interpret the art.

Absolutely!

But I think in this particular case, not about art but about the commodity-money relations between the restorer and the customer. All the more so repeatedly faced with such characters , that to them a word -and not pick ... I agree, this is from the poverty of speech ...

The question was raised purely because of curiosity . I hear from more than three different people who recommend to do the restoration in Europe than in Russia. Like, supposedly , were doing without quirks , ambitions, public deception, assigning yourself hundreds of hours of extra work and other not pleasant things. And the price and quality
 will definitely be in the direction of Europe.

For the restorers would not say . But my brother , traveled around the world argues that the mechanic and the workers make a fool of customers everywhere in the same way , winning all ethnic and racial differences ... Parallel so-so, but logic dictates that a big difference should not be. While it may have been someone already experienced?

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Cheat anywhere.
Only in our country is built up of the 10 Commandments, which sounds naiperveyshaya: «Nae ... and your neighbor» .
And this holy precepts of absolutely everything - from the janitor to the president.

If you know a topic , you know the amount of work and prices , then what can I say ?
And if you do not know? The same speech.
I've been asked a search in Google and immediately got on the site restorers did not go , but the impression is positive. There's a forum with the work and reports have the ratings of restorers.
That's if absolutely no one recommendation will not help.

In the West appreciate the restorers of Russia (meaning museum conservators , and not everyone who reckons himself to this numerically small community ).
According to the present , good restorers, very little , they're all on the enumeration .
And in any ratings on the forums nor need - for the most overworked .... :D>, they have no time to hang out on forums .
Restoration in Europe - is much more expensive , than in Russia ... at times.

Although I am not an expert on restoration, but I can not understand how a man is not particularly well versed in this business can know exactly the entire scope of work, hours and all the supplies? Still, this is art, not a standard profession. Just having a breakdown in the mechanism of a clock, can only rely on the honesty of the master. And then who knows how many hours he pored over the work - 20 minutes or 20 hours?

This is a very controversial issue of the category of "our physicians /riot /programmers, and so on - are the best in the world." Any representative of any nation to say about his people similarly. I'm not arguing that Russia is really talented unique, but to speak for all, IMHO - heresy.

Returning to the question of the Russian school of restoration. I recently read that many Russian restorers are training in Italy, Germany, France and other European countries.

It's more - the exchange of experiences , rather than training in the direct sense of the word .
Schools are different , a different campaign , different technologies.
By the way , paying by the hour - this is the " notion " of the West ..
There pay is calculated on the clock ... and the amount of restoring the picture - is large enough.
In the United States - museum conservators enough rich people.
Therefore, there exists a chain - restorers in Italy , Spain and others travel to the U.S. , and our "take " their place in Europe ..
Museum restorer of Russia , which works only on the state ( without special orders) - was doomed to a miserable existence , and death by starvation (without irony ) :(>

On the other I will not argue, it's all very subjective. Personally, I do not believe in these fairy tales about good restorers busy as I've seen enough of any (self hereditary), should not one size fits ... There are inept restorers on large sites by crew, and there are very talented but did not know how to sell yourself and communicate. All there is.
And these words about "more Europe" than you ever can prove anything?
I can name at least two major arguments against it. First, some restoration centers overfed state where the work of tenders in the picture as described by the author can be evaluated in the 250-500 thousand and even millions. Cost while still in the band that I have at the beginning of the discussion. Go to http://www.gz-spb.ru or http://www.sberbank-ast.ru (in the public domain, not all can be found, but the presentation on the market you can get). I though all have a license, without nepotism win nizya (walking, licking at these numbers: eek :)>, but that is the subject of another discussion. I refer to the state prices, it's not the whole market, but many just on it and live.
Second, in Russia is much lower than the world GDP and significantly inflated salaries. In other words, we have car mechanic, a programmer, restorer or decorator earn statistically more than the world average (working less time, less effective). Source Federal State Statistics Service.
In fairness, noting that the restoration of the correct order in Russia, our conservators. The question is not in price. Justification, one language, one tradition, especially with the amendment to the "Russian" understanding of how to restore, for example, icons, no barriers to movement and problems with customs. And so on. As for the mythical difference in price, here are easy to market mechanisms, when such a price difference is substantial, the market will begin to flow in a region where costs are lower. So it is, and will, no matter what to talk about potatoes, cocaine or restorations.
What do you somehow contradicting yourself. Who invented it does not matter. But we have now and into the USSR, the cost of restoration of hours and calculated (measurement area of ​​damage is multiplied by the difficulty level and type of work hours), for example, the specification for the restoration of furniture was the last in 1984, then in 1999 and more (can not remember the year) with revisions. So we are still working on 1984, only on the coefficients. So the argument about the watch does not prove anything.
  :eek:> :eek:> :eek:> :eek:> :eek:> Now pay from the state to the restorer goes through several layers, each selected by about 50%. If they were not so much that the restorers went to business class on the cars, and drive their cars quite decent ... And the first layer, oh how trite - rollback officials. The second and the rest - poluchinovnichi strutktury who spend all of the general contractor to subcontract. I had an order that I got from one of Novgorod, which she passed on a subcontract SSF, which gave the FSB the subcontract. :p> All members of the chain including the last two have a license for restoration. There are a few restorers blankly at the salary, but it's rudimentary market sector, not describing the situation. Those who are talented or a pain in the Well - quite find a good booking and payment.
In general, I would not say that the restorers have nothing to eat. The fact that the market "due to" over-regulation (mostly mediocre licensing policy) runs through one place, it is a fact, but the restorers did not die of starvation. Well trust me to work through unpleasant, but such is the policy of the state and government. I see that the power above all bodies responsible for issues of restoration, not interested in a balanced market transparency. And it is clearly seen in politics in recent years. They did not care about salary, work quality, warranty. Although formally all the "cool": that any month with a new pump gives up a large object. Who drank there money, what quality of work - all on ^(*%$.

For reference.
Average cost of restoration of the facade on Peter - 4.5-10 million actual cost (the cost of materials and the final RFP Executive) 0.3-1.2 million According to my calculations in St. Petersburg on a facade has five levels of customers at each stage minus 50%.
Average cost of restoring the picture as the author of threads 25-60 in St. Petersburg and in Moscow, 35-80. This is a private conservator or small workshop. Moreover, if the order comes from the state the cost of outsourcing - by 1 order of magnitude higher. That is an average of nulik should be added.

Salary of the highest category restorer who has worked for over 20 years , one of the leading museums of Russia (Moscow ) as the beginning. sector oil painting - 15 000 rubles , a leading specialist . artist and restorer of the highest category - 12500 rubles ..
In the regions and the less ..

I'm not going to confirm anything to you , thank me on this ..
I will stay in its opinion , to you - not necessarily to agree with mine.
Good luck to you ... if you have not already overworked :D>
Seek and ye shall find .