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L-ana64110 13.06.2011 10:43

Graphics "amateur"
 
The artist calls himself an amateur, but is it true?


www.karapetyan.artnow.ru

zarajara 13.06.2011 19:40

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Сообщение от L-ana64110 (Сообщение 1665201)
The artist calls himself an amateur , but is it true?

www.karapetyan.artnow.ru

Can and does not learn anywhere else , but when doing something for so many years and if there is a taste and a head - that is professionalism . There are many artists , among the first tier of the twentieth century , who never studied , especially among the Contemporary , but there is perhaps another , yet multi-figure compositions .
 Dora , of course , is felt . I think Karapetyan started with copying , now do not do that , but when something - it was a mandatory part of training.
Incidentally , the same Valentine Podpomogov never studied him at all grade 4 education (this site http://www.podpomogov.am/biograf.htm and here it is on the forum ) .

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By the way , L-ana64110, good theme , artists and amateurs, or even
- Effect amateur, it would be interesting to see who Colleagues promptly inserted " and she gladly dug in memory and on the Internet , if you open this topic ( since I started ) . :) >

ConSferArt 23.06.2011 13:56

I too often have to deal with amateurs.
But we must distinguish where the real amateur, and where the so-called "naive art".
Talent can occur even in those who did not learn anything.
More complicated when he is not among those who received the fundamental artistic training.

NATA NOVA 23.06.2011 14:08

ConSferArt, and that in fact it is: the "talent"?

This is probably as intelligence (in fact there are different) ..

Самвел 23.06.2011 14:50

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1676803)
and that in fact it is: the "talent"?

This is probably as intelligence (in fact there are different) ..

 
I think with the talent of more or less clear, it is still an innate quality, but what about intellect?

NATA NOVA 23.06.2011 15:18

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 1676893)
I think that with the talent of more or less clear, it is still an innate quality, but what about intellect?


Samvel, is more innate than talent!
(IMHO, I have experience)

ConSferArt 25.06.2011 18:32

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1676803)
ConSferArt, and that in fact it is: the "talent"?

This is probably as intelligence (there are different because )..


I think the talent of intelligence - something innate.
But with the talent of the picture, you can write.
But the intellect in this work, I even know.
:)>

NATA NOVA 25.06.2011 19:57

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Сообщение от ConSferArt (Сообщение 1679113)
But how this intelligence to help, I even know.

__________________

Intelligence and answers questions like: "ZAChEMmmm?" Who's to blame?
What to do (and then with it)?

ConSferArt 28.06.2011 12:45

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1679193)
intelligence and answers questions like: "ZAChEMmmm?" Who's to blame?
What to do (then it)?


Well, probably yes.
In general, intelligence is responsible for more common sense, and talent - a natural expression of their desires and skills.

Самвел 28.06.2011 16:27

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Сообщение от ConSferArt (Сообщение 1683863)
general intelligence is responsible for more common sense

 
And I think that most likely intelligence and common sense do not touch.
Well, for example.
(A healthy body, healthy mind) common sense and intelligence can break down this statement to the nines.

Moriakoff 28.06.2011 17:04

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1679193)
and the intelligence to answer questions like: "ZAChEMmmm?" Who's to blame?
What to do (and then with it)?

To these questions are answered NGChernyshevsky and Lenin in similar work!
:)>

zarajara 28.06.2011 19:19

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Сообщение от ConSferArt (Сообщение 1683863)
Well, probably yes . In general, intelligence is responsible for more common sense , and talent - a natural expression of their desires and skills .

Intelligence - it is different . There are smart people , and is - canny :D>. And here - intelligence? No wonder that intellectuals in the home often can not cope with simple situations.

L-ana64110 28.06.2011 19:34

Talent Intelligence + = relevant, contemporary artist.

zarajara 28.06.2011 21:22

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Сообщение от L-ana64110 (Сообщение 1684601)
Talent Intelligence + = relevant, contemporary artist .

This equation works only occasionally, and quite possible other options :D> :D>
Actual artist=Talent Intelligence
Actual artist = Intellect Talent
Current hodozhnik = - ( Talent + Int)

But I would like more of a dilettante. It is generally quite a difficult problem in the art and science. With science will be easier , say in physics, has long been no dilettantes . But once were .
They were and are in technology
They are many in the art .
In my opinion art amateur (this not on Contemporary ) features special thoroughness . Always seems to the layman , if you draw all the details , you can achieve perfection , and the parts are poorly connected to each other. Recount and draw all the cilia , but not notice that one eye is higher than the other . But even if an amateur is really talented and good design , and everything is in place , all the same thoroughness - it's like a birthmark - forever.

ConSferArt 28.06.2011 22:08

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Сообщение от zarajara (Сообщение 1684651)
This equation works only occasionally, and quite possible other options :D> :D>
Actual artist = Talent Intelligence
Actual artist = Intellect Talent
Current hodozhnik = - ( Talent + Int)

But I would like more of a dilettante. It is generally quite a difficult problem in the art and science. With science will be easier , say in physics, has long been no dilettantes . But once were .
They were and are in technology
They are many in the art .
In my opinion art amateur (this not on Contemporary ) features special thoroughness . Always seems to the layman , if you draw all the details , you can achieve perfection , and the parts are poorly connected to each other. Recount and draw all the cilia , but not notice that one eye is higher than the other . But even if an amateur is really talented and good design , and everything is in place , all the same thoroughness - it's like a birthmark - forever .

Interesting observation ! Can you give some examples of such rigor ?


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