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allexx 09.06.2011 23:26

What will be put restorer pastels
 
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Good evening , dear colleagues! Can you please tell me what to expect ( and , accordingly, any task set ) from a restorer ?

Got here this bed , no frame and no glass . Very fragile paper , the crack in the middle of the top , bottom, middle , and bottom right, where the sign - here at all with the signature of the triangle fell off and now on his own. Well, a lot of dust , as I understand it from the pastel pencils during shipping.

That require the conservator - pasted on some basis ? Do nothing , simply press the glass and the frame ? And what of the loose piece with a signature ?

Thank you !

PS Oh, and also, if possible , advise to anyone in Kiev to seek restoration . Thank you !

Пелагея Ларина 10.06.2011 00:35

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Сообщение от allexx (Сообщение 1661563)
Do nothing , simply press the glass and the frame ?

Pressed glass bed do not recommend bed printed on the glass .. I pastelki dressed in thick mats , glass on top - has turned a small gap between pastels and glass .
But the bed cover specials . fixative I would not - the color will change somewhat , and lost a wonderful " fluffy " pastels . But it is my opinion .
Take another look here http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=54741

K-Maler 10.06.2011 01:34

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Сообщение от allexx (Сообщение 1661563)
very fragile paper , the crack above the middle , lower middle , and bottom right, where the sign - here at all with the signature of the triangle fell off and now on his own. Well, a lot of dust , as I understand it from the pastel pencils during shipping.

Stick , apparently , is undesirable because Paper Thin : do not know how it will interact with the adhesive . But the glass , after all , many are advised to press to continue to not crumble . And on the reverse side to enclose something soft , cotton , foam rubber or the like , and less " worry " pastel , do not shake . Ie restore the bed is practically impossible, only dorisovyvat ...

allexx 10.06.2011 01:35

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And what about the torn pieces - than their stick , and how ? And on what basis ? And the cracks ? If you do not push the glass , the pieces themselves do not prizhmutsya , and cracks will be free , their edges may diverge even further. And if you press the glass , the crack did not seem to be expanding , but remains detached piece with a signature . Or maybe ... when I sent pastel , glass was removed. Maybe , tore off a piece does not come off during shipping , but was torn , just under the glass ?

Toinen 10.06.2011 05:45

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Сообщение от "K-Maler (Сообщение 1661671)
And on the reverse side to enclose something soft, cotton, foam rubber or the like


Never heard of such a method!
Patent does not want?

allexx, glue necessarily bezkislotny cardboard, scree tint, and then, as advised by Pelagia Larin otherwise the bed will be lost!

Тихая Сапа 10.06.2011 09:42

Firstly , about which there are real options for the restoration you have to say restorer ( it easier to assess the extent of disasters in his hands the thing ) . I would advise to accept dublirovku basis . No , God forbid , do not push the paint layer of glass ( nikakoy. on oil or graphics ) . After cleaning and dublirovki ask restorer to make a high mount that was a space between the image and glass zakantovat and then did not touch once again

allexx 10.06.2011 09:43

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allexx, glue necessarily bezkislotny cardboard, scree tint, and then, as advised by Pelagia Larin otherwise the bed will be lost! [/QUOTE]


That is, paste the entire bed, right?


Yeah, who knows whom in Kiev can be accessed?

Toinen 10.06.2011 09:50

[QUOTE="allexx; 1661933 ']That is, paste the entire bed, right?[/QUOTE]



Exactly!
No other way.

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Сообщение от Silent Sapa; 1661931]zakantovat and then not touch it once again[/QUOTE]


And most importantly:


[QUOTE="K-Maler; 1661671
bed, do not shake


allexx 10.06.2011 11:43

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Another question: where should I store bed before being sent to restore (have to wait several days) - horizontal or vertical?

Пелагея Ларина 10.06.2011 12:48

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Сообщение от allexx (Сообщение 1662163)
Another question : where should I store bed before being sent to restore ( have to wait several days) - in vertical or horizontal ?

Certainly in the horizontal direction.

The main thing I think that in the restoration, as in medicine , the " patient " should be an individual approach - taking into account age , condition, disease and other causes , perhaps , specific features of patients .
Good luck ! Keep us informed - I think many will benefit from your experience .

allexx 10.06.2011 12:53

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And here it is written that in the vertical:
"How to store bed in the form of unmounted? Main condition - the work must be contained in a sealed folder, located in an upright position. It is totally unacceptable to keep the work in the pile, one over another - occurs when the pressure in the bed is extremely undesirable. Before you invest in job folder, you must cover it with tracing paper, which is attached to one side of paper clips to the edge of the sheet. "
http://risuem.net/pastel/pastel-kak-...-hranit-pastel

And then:
"For those works that are devoid of bordering and require restoration to its so-called phase-preservation, in which every object is placed in a protective case of bezkislotnogo cardboard.
Keep pastels, stretched on a frame, preferably in an upright position so as not to cause a sagging foundation, and its deformation on the Limits of the stretcher, and in case of large-format works, and possibly sagging glass.
The ideal storage solutions for pastel works is the depository of the State Tretyakov Gallery, where pastels hang in the edged form on the metal grid on the inner wall. "
http://art-con.ru/node/887

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Or until the bed is not fringed and glued on a rigid foundation, it's just a great and fragile piece of paper?
And it's better to keep it horizontally?

Пелагея Ларина 10.06.2011 13:22

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Сообщение от allexx (Сообщение 1662243)
Or until the bed is not fringed and glued on a rigid foundation , it's just a great and fragile piece of paper ? And it's better to keep it horizontally ?

Before restoration , I would not dare to keep upright , in your case ... Yes , and move ( transport ), I would have preferred a horizontal position. .
Then, of course , you can follow the above instructions .

Toinen 10.06.2011 13:24

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Сообщение от allexx (Сообщение 1662243)
And it's better to keep it horizontally?


Pelagia Larin answered exhaustively.


You're not going to keep it in the pile?
And the frying pan at her place is not necessary.

Тихая Сапа 10.06.2011 13:46

Found your links give tips on the new pastels , and pastels stretched on a frame . Do you have the same ( as far as I understood ) the work on paper, which from time to time become very fragile ( if you really fall off the corners ) . In the upright position with your thing there is a risk of further fracture the edges under its own weight and contact with the edges of the folder .
I would recommend storing horizontally .

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If you're in a folder to put the image best cover mikalentom or blueprints.

NATA NOVA 10.06.2011 15:02

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Сообщение от allexx; 1661673"
... when I was sent to bed , the glass removed .


Цитата:

Сообщение от K-Maler; 1661671 "
And here is glass , after all , many are advised to press to continue to not crumble .

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Сообщение от Pelagia Larina (Сообщение 1661641)
A slight gap between the glass and pastels .

It is very necessary topic turned out.
And I will express their views .
  About the gap between the glass and pastel . I think that Pelagia was right , because it will protect against possible condensates (which becomes clear with time ) ( I 'd still those . gelatin tried to shove as anything )
Pressed against the glass of course possible , but not for too long .
And of course , to keep better off without access to light .
Konkeretno at work .
Restoration ( art ) do not require (IMHO ) only a technical one.
so what that crack and corner fell off ? let it be seen . If you arrange , just give old-world charm .
And of course , as little as possible to transport - transport ( osobenno. without protection. )


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