Shishkin?
 

Dear forumchane.Dolgoe time at our house hanging kartinka.Nedavno I took the glass and found this.
Picture a small approximately 15 to 11.
On the mat sticker.

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At first I was very surprised . Then he began to read the biography of Shishkin - after graduating from the Academy of Fine Arts , he mastered the technique of lithography , and worked at the Hermitage , copying the masters . In the picture with one hand like a signature Shishkin , on the other hand , the inscription Peterhof 184 ? and the initials AS Could this be a copy of a drawing by Shishkin A Shtakenshnejdera ? Exactly the same work Shtakenshnejdera I have not found , but this pohozha.http : //www.museum.ru/alb/image.asp?32093 Please speak out.

At first I was very surprised. Then I began to read a biography of Shishkin - after graduating from the Academy of Fine Arts , he mastered the technique of lithography , and worked at the Hermitage , copying the works of the masters . In the picture with one hand like a signature Shishkin, but on the other hand , the inscription Peterhof 184 ? and the initials AS Could this be a copy of a drawing by Shishkin A Shtakenshnejdera ? Exactly the same work Shtakenshnejdera I did not find , but it looks like . http://www.museum.ru/alb/image.asp?32093 Please comment .

It looks like a painted lithograph.
More like a journal tab application.
Signed, made out well.

I'm not good in the subject, but the picture is rough under his fingers, the magazine does not like.

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Crawl the Internet , almost no doubt that the Shishkin with Shtakenshneydera.U Shtakenshnejdera was called St. Nicholas House = prototype peasant hut . That's what I'm not sure , that the picture hanging on our wall ( in the sense of technique ) . Here expressed that the tinted lithograph , in that I do not understand . The sheet of paper rather plump ( like a modern drawing paper ) and a rough fingers . I have people in the neighboring forum specifically tried: print , not printing ? Expressed that does not seem to print - watercolor .

Lithography . It you have a shiny . During this time, watercolor would completely burnt out , would be a pale matte .
And do not think that 13 - year-old ( on paper signature 1845 . ) student of the Kazan gymnasium copying architectural works Shtakenshnejdera would know they had a confident sign Shishkin , and in general to think seriously about the way the artist .

The label reads: A. Fedorov Supplier Russkago Museum of Emperor Alexander III in Petrograd Foundry 35.


"Petrograd" - a 1914 - 1924.
Alexander III, in this case - 1914 - 1917.
Need to see what lies at the Foundry, 35 in this period.
Most likely, some sort of printing.
Picture this - a reproduction.

   The picture was displayed under glass . As I understood , on one hand the picture caption Shishkin , on the other hand - an inscription at the Peterhof 1845 and the initials AS In the biography Shishkin says that after graduating from the academy , he is in the Hermitage copied works of masters and mastered lithography . Ie a copy of the picture Shtakenshnejdera ( AS ) and the year is just to figure Shtakenshnejdera , rather than at the time of copying Shishkin . Well , I think so ...

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  A reproduction can be rough under his fingers ? I really do not understand this . This collection is a relative , would he buy a reproduction ? I thought that label applies only to the mat in which the picture .

Most likely.

In 1865, after graduating at the Academy of Shishkin has already written a "Type in the outskirts of Düsseldorf!
Why is the established master copy, sorry, frankly weak picture and still with all the dates and signatures?

  I do not know , MB mastering lithography , as written in his biography ? There are written , that in the period of training at the academy and at the end , he worked in the Hermitage , copying the work . MB Shtakenshnejdera copied along with the initials and date , but as soon as possible otherwise ? Dear forum ! I myself in doubt and poiske.Ot relatives remained part of the collection , the collector himself was born in the late 19 th century , all the works were purchased by him before the war . I hope very much for your help and discussion . This also applies to other works . Thanks in advance .

What I mean is that the artist is engaged in copying to improve their skills , not lower . And if you copy a signature do not make - it's the law .

Absolutely right , 200 percent .
Work frankly weak .
For Shishkin is too primitive .
In general, the discussion of this stuff in relation to Shishkin , even as it incorrectly .

  T.e.Shishkin in any age, even quite young , I could not copy the image , which was previously painted Stackenschneider ?
  Then the version can be only one - the picture with the initials AS and the inscription Peterhof 184 ? added a signature Shishkina ? Well, why so stupid ? And the picture is not in his manner , and the year is not suitable . Dear experts , tell them their version . 'll Be very grateful .

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Maybe this is generally the signature is not Shishkin, but something else?
Viewed through a magnifying glass, all very melenko, including the picture itself 15na 11.
Dear forum, and you seen that written?

The format is typical for applications to the journals the first floor.
XIX century.
Give the size of the image to the format of the worksheet.
Two signatures: the engraver or draftsman + by song or artist.
Coloring by hand.
In the museum, this piece could get as the picture of historic places.

The sheet 22 to 16, and the oval pattern 15 to 11 . Oh, do not give me rest this Shishkin - neShishkin . Crawl the Internet and found that at this time the architect I. Charlemagne (maybe this is his signature ? ) painted watercolors in Peterhof . http://images.google.ru/imglanding?q =%D0%98 %20 %D0%A8%D0%B0%D1%80 %D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0 %BD%D1%8C%20 %D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80 %D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%20 %D0%9F%D0%B5 %D1%82 %D0%B5%D1%80 %D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%84 & imgurl = http://pics.livejournal.com/neringa_...is.livejournal .com/14402.html & usg = __GYzjydy2T8glWb7PCovOTPob3zI = & h = 433 & w = 650 & sz = 72 & hl = ru & zoom = 0 & tbnid = PF4HBQRPxyX5MM: & tbnh = 91 & tbnw = 137 & ei = BQTgTYy5McbWsgaoipXDBQ & prev = /images%3Fq%3D%25D0%2598 %2B%25D0%25A8%25D0%25B0%25D1%2580 %25D0%25BB%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BD %25D1%258C%2B%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B2%25D0%2 5B0%25D1%2580 %25D0%25B5%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B8%2B%25D0%259F%25D0%2 5B5%25D1%2582 %25D0%25B5%25D1%2580 %25D0%25B3%25D0%25BE%25D1%2584 %26hl%3Dru%26newwindow%3D1%26sa%3DN%26tbm%3Disch & itbs = 1 & newwindow = 1 & sa = N & tbm = isch & start = 1#tbnid = PF4HBQRPxyX5MM & start = 5 Do not like ?

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