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polimpa84 08.03.2011 14:43

Your opinion?
 
Вложений: 9
56h45

oil on canvas

redbor 08.03.2011 14:59

Jewish cemetery.
In Brooklyn?

The work of Oscar Rabin?

Игорь Гурьев 08.03.2011 15:49

Well, Rabin had nothing to do with it, but it strongly reminds one of the compositions of Chagall.

polimpa84 08.03.2011 15:55

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Igor Sasha you're right

"Gates of the cemetery, 1917.

Oil on canvas.

National Museum of Modern Art

Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris

size if not mistaken 85h65

polimpa84 08.03.2011 15:59

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Here's another, private collection
 
4 years found more information about three such works in the great collection

has made its expertise on the establishment of a forensic 1915 1930

prove the authenticity of the one not taken without provenance, and my provenance funny

At a flea market in New York for $ 50

polimpa84 08.03.2011 16:07

I understand that everyone will say that the copy can not be otherwise! But none menie 1915-1930, counterfeit Chagall, so even the cemetery gate!!

Игорь Гурьев 08.03.2011 16:10

Written well, but to step in my opinion, does not hold out much.

redbor 08.03.2011 16:17

Цитата:

Сообщение от "polimpa84 (Сообщение 1549023)
Here is another, private collection

About your work will not say.

But, the one that you put not a "private collection", and is the same as that previously reported.

Just about finding a "private collection" was taken from unreliable sources.

polimpa84 08.03.2011 16:22

You're right, I posted a picture that would be seen as a picture in the photo the difference in color, and it's not home shooting!

polimpa84 09.03.2011 13:03

Maybe somebody will make a full LEGAL attribution of this painting?

Willing to take a stake in the sale, all costs of the examination with me, your case naydti organization or a reputable person is able to explore the thing!

Samvel 09.03.2011 13:46

Цитата:

Сообщение от polimpa84 (Сообщение 1549593)
Can somebody help to make a full attribution of this painting?
Willing to take a stake in the sale, all costs of the examination with me, your case naydti organization or a reputable person is able to examine a thing!

Do not torment yourself and others, the whole structure craquelure on your picture shows that it is written on the other hand, the old pattern and mechanical creation cracelures.

polimpa84 09.03.2011 13:55

I wrote that did a forensic examination, and ultraviolet and infrokrasny and x-rays and a canvas and paint 1915-1930, under it there is nothing

Игорь Гурьев 09.03.2011 14:22

Цитата:

Сообщение от polimpa84 (Сообщение 1549633)
I wrote that did a forensic examination, and ultraviolet and infrokrasny and x-rays and a canvas and paint 1915-1930, under it there is nothing

Well, maybe a copy of the time, but hardly Chagall, he had no reason to do this was not so expensive then the cost of his paintings.

polimpa84 09.03.2011 14:32

may of course be so, but then copied step?

so even now, "Gates klodbischa?
certainly do not believe that step, but is willing to risk the money and expertise to do, but where?

Konstantin 09.03.2011 15:12

Цитата:

Сообщение от polimpa84; 1549693"
is willing to risk the money and expertise to do, but where?

No papers on "Kamiteta Chagall Chagall - not Chagall.

For inquiries about obtaining a certificate of authenticity for works of Marc Chagall, please contact the following address
Committee by Marc Chagall
35, Quai de l'Horloge
75001 Paris
Tél. : 00 33 1 40 51 74 70
Fax: 00 33 1 40 51 74 71
(All documentation must be sent by mail)

Pour toute demande de délivrance de certificats d'authenticité d'œuvres de Marc Chagall
veuillez vous adresser au:
Comité Marc Chagall
35, Quai de l'Horloge
75001 Paris
Tél. : 00 33 1 40 51 74 70
Fax: 00 33 1 40 51 74 71
(Toute documentation doit être envoyée par courrier)

Цитата:

With regard to examination of works of Chagall, then we - the Committee of Chagall and specialists in his work here in Russia - also agreed to work together, using the entire arsenal of expertise.

News: What is the main tool of the expert? Eye?

Meyer: For me, as for Jean-Louis Prat (Chairman Chagall. - "The News") - is primarily the eyes. But the eye, trained thousands of jobs. I'm not a technical person, to me first - this feeling. But I must rely on scientific analysis of works such as to be able to read the radiographs and photographs in the infrared. In France, the law requires the expert to write support their point of view. You can not just say: "I am the granddaughter, and I do not like the red or blue in the picture." And I write this study. Many fakes are obvious even in pictures, but nevertheless, in each case it is necessary to conduct research and write a reasoned refusal. Always! Some fakes are returned to us for the second and third time, and there have to be patient: every time we repeat this procedure every time we write justification.

News: At the conference, Jean-Louis Prat said that in some cases, fraud destroyed. How does this happen?

Meyer: It's a whole legal procedure. Process initiates a lawyer of the Committee. Everything starts from the same study, which I write, and the lawyer takes on the legal language and in their acts. Then we must get written permission from the owner to destroy that - or his representative - must be present during the destruction operation. Typically, we collect 4.5 fakes for destruction. All this occurs in the presence of not only the representative of the owner and member of the Committee, but also of justice. Last week we had a meeting of the Committee, and we decided to initiate the destruction of one figure, which is too close, came dangerously close to the original. We are often asked, why do not you write on the back, it's fake. But I know a specialist restorer, who knows how to laminate a sheet of paper, so it makes no sense.


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