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Пелагея Ларина 07-02-2011 22:58

That's such trouble, can I recover it?
 
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Here are two works Vyalov KA ....

With pain in my heart waiting for a sentence of experienced members of the forum .... Here is a condition ... How difficult and expensive restoration in this case?
And it even possible?


1. 'On the Volga "x /m 40x60 (lost fragment of ~ 1,5 x1, 5cm)


2.
"Rain", 1950.
x /m 32h49

Пелагея Ларина 07-02-2011 23:01

Vyalov Konstantin 04/19/1900 - 1976
One of the founders of the OST. In 1914-17 he studied at the Stroganov School of Industrial Art, 1918-20 - at the State Free Art Workshops with A. Morgunova, Wassily Kandinsky, Vladimir Tatlin, in 1920-24 - in VHUTEMAS from J. Shterenberg. In the early 1920's did kontrrelefy and abstract compositions under the influence of Kazimir Malevich and Wassily Kandinsky.
As a painter Vyalov was created in 1924 a member of the Society (OST).
The Society had such great masters as Deineka, Y. Pimenov, P. Williams, A. Labas, A. Tyshler, A. Goncharov. The main purpose of these artists was to create a painting on a modern theme, written by a new language, the rejection of literary narrative.
The artist's works were exhibited at international exhibitions in Paris (1925), Berlin (1927, 1928), Venice (1932), New York (1933), London (1934). The works are in the Tretyakov Gallery, timing and other museum collections.

Пелагея Ларина 07-02-2011 23:20

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 1516693)
Yes Vyalov Does this stuff?

I honestly doubt it.


Do not hesitate!
100%

Кирилл Сызранский 07-02-2011 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelagia Larina (Post 1516701)
Do not hesitate!
100%


And I have already removed the posts with their doubts.

You know better.
:D

Toinen 07-02-2011 23:25

Dear Pelagia Larin, leaving the question of authorship, I will say about the technical side and essentially asked the question:

Nothing wrong with the state of art in your photos I saw, all fixable.
The only thing that I would necessarily sdelel - changed the existing stretchers on a stretcher with wedges, so you can stretch the canvas. Restoration is not too expensive.

Seriy 07-02-2011 23:28

Pelagia Larin, I am not a restorer, but sympathize with you. Just do not quite understand what the problem. In the second case, only the tails? it is treated tapered to a new sub-frame can gently moisten.
In the first case? is torn canvas and paint chunks fly off together with the ground?
And more to the left of the boat any dash, and the rain right dark band is that?

NATA NOVA 07-02-2011 23:31

And in "Rain" is generally the same no damage, gently drag (exactly as written a decent-bound on the pegs) ..
and Horshoe frame!

Кирилл Сызранский 07-02-2011 23:32

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Originally Posted by Pelagia Larina; 1516641]How difficult and expensive restoration in this case?[/QUOTE]

It is easy and inexpensive.


[QUOTE="Pelagia Larina; 1516641
And it even possible?

Of course.

Пелагея Ларина 07-02-2011 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seriy (Post 1516733)
B] Pelagia Larin[/B], I am not a restorer, but sympathize with you. Just do not quite understand what the problem. In the second case, only the tails? it is treated tapered to a new sub-frame can gently moisten.
In the first case? is torn canvas and paint chunks fly off together with the ground?

Canvas is in order. Dye flies pieces together with the ground.
On the second paint job, too, hardly "breathes" and kaakaya a gray band.

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 1516743)
It is easy and inexpensive.

Dear Cyril!

Time is not difficult and not expensive, you tell me - where?

Кирилл Сызранский 07-02-2011 23:44

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Originally Posted by Pelagia Larina (Post 1516751)
tell me, please - where?

Well, you do in Moscow, where thousands of restorers.

We have to look at this section of the forum Restoration.
:)

Seriy 07-02-2011 23:48

Pelagia Larin, then it is not so simple and cheap, imho. You need to strengthen the paint layer, m e to put him back on the new adhesive, and then duplicate the canvas, plus record the loss. A dark band is treated as in-general can not imagine ... what is it? Iron someone walked?, on the back of the canvas on this site is darkening or what thread?

Пелагея Ларина 07-02-2011 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 1516773)
Well, you are also in Moscow, where thousands of restorers.
We have to look at this section of the forum Restoration. :)

And among the thousands that, can anyone advise a specific person - an honest and conscientious professional. If I'd known - would not ask because .... Can be personal.

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Originally Posted by Seriy (Post 1516783)
Pelagia Larin, then it is not so simple and cheap, imho. You need to strengthen the paint layer, m e to put him back on the new adhesive, and then duplicate the canvas, plus record the loss. A dark band is treated as in-general can not imagine ... what is it? Iron someone walked?, on the back of the canvas on this site is darkening, or that a thread?

Canvas on the back of the net. Maybe that's dirty or burnt out so band, I do not know, I'm afraid to touch.

Toinen 08-02-2011 00:01

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Originally Posted by Seriy (Post 1516783)
then duplicate the canvas



And this is why?

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Originally Posted by Seriy (Post 1516783)
And how is treated with a dark stripe, does not represent ...


And you do not need, the restorer will understand.

Seriy 08-02-2011 00:17

most likely, a dark band is just dirt, EM canvas was covered, but this band is not and it was getting the dust.

I am interested in pigments in the painting and everything that happens to them, so I'm asking.

Кирилл Сызранский 08-02-2011 00:29

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Originally Posted by Pelagia Larina; 1516791]can anyone advise a specific person - an honest and conscientious professional.
If I'd known - would not ask because ....
Can be in PM.[/QUOTE]

Read hp.

[QUOTE="Seriy; 1516783
then duplicate the canvas

Do not.


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